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boyler4
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 Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject: TheOnion's Latest Video Going Too Far? |
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TheOnion's (a.k.a. Onion News Network) recently posted a new video entitled "Victim in Fatal Car Accident Tragically Not Glenn Beck". Video can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-faCh8BUEts&feature=sub
For those of you who don't know, TheOnion is a satirical news network that posts videos on Youtube of fake news broadcasts that are supposed to be funny. My question to Scorehero is this. Is this crossing the line? How far can you go before being funny becomes being mean and isn't funny anymore?
Personally, some of the remarks they made in the video were horrible in my opinion. "...Shattering her rib cage and not Glenn Beck's. Tragically pinning her legs, not his, to a retaining wall." I don't really care how much hate he gets, I don't think it's ok to say things like that about a person. They're basically insinuating that he should die horribly.
What do you guys think?
EDIT: FWI the headline is completely fake and no one really died. It's just the idea that this was supposed to be funny that we are supposed to be debating.
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I don't think it's too far. It's pretty much in line with their typical humor--extreme exaggerations of everyday absurdities. Glenn Beck is a polemicist by profession and inspires great anger and frustration in many people--this captures that pretty well.
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Of course this isn't too far. That's part of the satire. They're not making horrible comments about Glenn Beck - they're making fun of the outlandish, almost comical hatred directed towards him, and the way the anti-Fox News crowd (my people, if you must know) blames him for everything.
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| googleimage wrote: | | Of course this isn't too far. That's part of the satire. They're not making horrible comments about Glenn Beck - they're making fun of the outlandish, almost comical hatred directed towards him, and the way the anti-Fox News crowd (my people, if you must know) blames him for everything. |
that's a good point. Really though, it was so over the top it was funny. (which I assume the Onion usually goes by that rule...) I mean, no one's going to actually assume they want Glenn Beck to suffer like that... I hope. (not that some people won't actually believe it, I'm sure...)
on a lighter note, lol @ the "full body sneakers" near the end of the vid. 
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| alexhaz64 wrote: | | googleimage wrote: | | Of course this isn't too far. That's part of the satire. They're not making horrible comments about Glenn Beck - they're making fun of the outlandish, almost comical hatred directed towards him, and the way the anti-Fox News crowd (my people, if you must know) blames him for everything. |
that's a good point. Really though, it was so over the top it was funny. (which I assume the Onion usually goes by that rule...) I mean, no one's going to actually assume they want Glenn Beck to suffer like that... I hope. (not that some people won't actually believe it, I'm sure...)
on a lighter note, lol @ the "full body sneakers" near the end of the vid. |
I agree. If you look at it that way, the video isn't so bad.
Also, I wouldn't put it past some people to think like that actually. Some kids I know are perfectly capable, probably do, and only do because apparently its cool to hate him. They don't really know who he is. 
And I lol'd at the full body sneakers too.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| alexhaz64 wrote: | | googleimage wrote: | | Of course this isn't too far. That's part of the satire. They're not making horrible comments about Glenn Beck - they're making fun of the outlandish, almost comical hatred directed towards him, and the way the anti-Fox News crowd (my people, if you must know) blames him for everything. |
that's a good point. Really though, it was so over the top it was funny. (which I assume the Onion usually goes by that rule...) I mean, no one's going to actually assume they want Glenn Beck to suffer like that... I hope. (not that some people won't actually believe it, I'm sure...)
on a lighter note, lol @ the "full body sneakers" near the end of the vid. |
I can see it being funny if that's what they're going for  .
People can say what they want about Glenn. After all, it IS a free country; why should we suppress free speech just because we don't want to hear it? We can always turn the TV off or change the channel (or in this case, go to a different web site) if we don't like what we see.
Oh, and my only problem with making dark humor like that is when there's a double-standard; if you made the exact same joke about Obama, people would be in an uproar over it and scream "RACIST!!!".
Either way, I don't think jokes that involve death are funny at all. To quote the Nostalgia Critic (yes, I do that a lot =P): "If you want a joke to work, you need to have humor....". If they are actually being hateful to Glenn, then I don't see anything funny about it. If they are making fun of how so many people hate him, then it's actually kind of funny because it satires something that is popular: hating a certain person for their political views.
| inkjt510 wrote: | | Mad funny and Glenn Beck is a shithead |
Now that's just impolite.
I don't watch ANY news networks, nor do I care for listening to anyone in the news anymore. I listened to Glenn for a while, and stopped not because I disliked him or his show, but because the news just doesn't interest me. This is why I don't know why everyone hates Fox News or Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. Honestly, he's not doing anything to you; why hate him so much? I don't get it.
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| Qarx wrote: | | Oh, and my only problem with making dark humor like that is when there's a double-standard; if you made the exact same joke about Obama, people would be in an uproar over it and scream "RACIST!!!". |
Well that's kind of missing the point though - this joke about Glenn Beck is satire (hilarious satire, in my opinion, but I'm a big Onion fan). What exactly would be satirical about wishing Obama would be in a car wreck? Don't think the Onion discriminates on its targets...and if anything, Obama has been on the cover of the Onion (the newspaper, that is) more than anyone else the last year or so. For instance, during the election the Onion played on the fact that Obama was coming off as overly-charismatic and almost celebrity like (it also geniusly plays on the multiple associations that came up during the campaign and Obama's effort to keep them quiet) . For instance:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obamas_hillbilly_half_brother
People are bound to be offended by the Onion, but you have to realize that they really do make fun of everything and sometimes you have to laugh at yourself. Would I be happy if they published an article like that one about me? Well, no, but when you're someone like Glenn Beck you have to see things like this coming.
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| suspectfenster wrote: | | Qarx wrote: | | Oh, and my only problem with making dark humor like that is when there's a double-standard; if you made the exact same joke about Obama, people would be in an uproar over it and scream "RACIST!!!". |
Well that's kind of missing the point though - this joke about Glenn Beck is satire (hilarious satire, in my opinion, but I'm a big Onion fan). What exactly would be satirical about wishing Obama would be in a car wreck? Don't think the Onion discriminates on its targets...and if anything, Obama has been on the cover of the Onion (the newspaper, that is) more than anyone else the last year or so. For instance, during the election the Onion played on the fact that Obama was coming off as overly-charismatic and almost celebrity like (it also geniusly plays on the multiple associations that came up during the campaign and Obama's effort to keep them quiet) . For instance:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obamas_hillbilly_half_brother
People are bound to be offended by the Onion, but you have to realize that they really do make fun of everything and sometimes you have to laugh at yourself. Would I be happy if they published an article like that one about me? Well, no, but when you're someone like Glenn Beck you have to see things like this coming. |
I wasn't saying Onion specifically doesn't make fun of everything. I don't have an opinion on THAT matter, seeing as I don't watch their show often enough to know, but a lot of stuff I see tends to discriminate over certain people. It's good to know Onion does indeed fun of everyone .
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| Qarx wrote: | | This is why I don't know why everyone hates Fox News or Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. Honestly, he's not doing anything to you; why hate him so much? I don't get it. |
Let's ask the families of George Tiller and Stephen Johns, or all those people in that Tennessee church (or Van Jones, as a less serious example), if they're not doing anything to them. The "right wing" media who engage in that inciteful rhetoric certainly aren't complicit in these crimes, but they do bear some responsibility. For them to not see the connection between their incessant calls to "stand up and make a statement", and these growing militias and hate-based crimes is disingenuous at best, and deeply sinister at worst. These people know that their audience is akin to an army of sorts (that's why Rush's more fanatical viewers are known as "dittoheads"), and that they can steer a significant segment to the population to do some radical things. That's why they're legitimately dangerous, even if all they have is a microphone.
But at some point, the responsibility ends with them and moves to the people who shower them with attention and legitimize what they do. These people only have the power that the public anoints them with, and that includes the haters.
| Quote: | | I wasn't saying Onion specifically doesn't make fun of everything. I don't have an opinion on THAT matter, seeing as I don't watch their show often enough to know, but a lot of stuff I see tends to discriminate over certain people. It's good to know Onion does indeed fun of everyone . |
This is a huge issue. It's a culture where the 2 political parties are treated like the Yankees and Red Sox - like they're sports teams, and everybody is a fan of one team or the other. This means that you can't ever say anything even remotely nice about the other team. All the blown calls seem to go one way, and one city's fans are so much better and more civilized than the other's. I think the Glenn Becks and Rush Limbaughs are extremely effective at tapping into this party fandom, but it doesn't mean it's good for the political process.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| inkjt510 wrote: | | Qarx wrote: |
| inkjt510 wrote: | | Mad funny and Glenn Beck is a shithead |
Now that's just impolite.
I don't watch ANY news networks, nor do I care for listening to anyone in the news anymore. I listened to Glenn for a while, and stopped not because I disliked him or his show, but because the news just doesn't interest me. This is why I don't know why everyone hates Fox News or Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. Honestly, he's not doing anything to you; why hate him so much? I don't get it. |
Please tell me that Glenn Beck is polite
Go on, do it. You can't. why? because he is a shithead who is mean to anyone with an opposing viewpoint. for the record, i'm an actual conservative (read: not a neo-con) who would agree with about half of what he says if he weren't just a straight up dick to people |
I'm not saying he's polite, either. I was saying that it's pretty immature to "stoop to someone's level" to make a point. To me, if you want to make a point, you gotta at least pretend to have more proper manners than the person in question.
| googleimage wrote: | | Qarx wrote: | | This is why I don't know why everyone hates Fox News or Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. Honestly, he's not doing anything to you; why hate him so much? I don't get it. |
Let's ask the families of George Tiller and Stephen Johns, or all those people in that Tennessee church (or Van Jones, as a less serious example), if they're not doing anything to them. The "right wing" media who engage in that inciteful rhetoric certainly aren't complicit in these crimes, but they do bear some responsibility. For them to not see the connection between their incessant calls to "stand up and make a statement", and these growing militias and hate-based crimes is disingenuous at best, and deeply sinister at worst. These people know that their audience is akin to an army of sorts (that's why Rush's more fanatical viewers are known as "dittoheads"), and that they can steer a significant segment to the population to do some radical things. That's why they're legitimately dangerous, even if all they have is a microphone.
But at some point, the responsibility ends with them and moves to the people who shower them with attention and legitimize what they do. These people only have the power that the public anoints them with, and that includes the haters.
| Quote: | | I wasn't saying Onion specifically doesn't make fun of everything. I don't have an opinion on THAT matter, seeing as I don't watch their show often enough to know, but a lot of stuff I see tends to discriminate over certain people. It's good to know Onion does indeed fun of everyone . |
This is a huge issue. It's a culture where the 2 political parties are treated like the Yankees and Red Sox - like they're sports teams, and everybody is a fan of one team or the other. This means that you can't ever say anything even remotely nice about the other team. All the blown calls seem to go one way, and one city's fans are so much better and more civilized than the other's. I think the Glenn Becks and Rush Limbaughs are extremely effective at tapping into this party fandom, but it doesn't mean it's good for the political process. |
I've never heard of those people you mentioned. Has Glenn Beck attacked them for something? What can he do besides talk, anyway?
Uh... I don't really get what you're saying here. I've never heard of people like Rush ordering their fans to make terrorist acts (for lack of a better term(s) ). The worst I've ever heard was people rallying (without any kind of physical destruction; just holding up signs) against the government's plans to nationalize health care, gun control, and something about Cap and Trade. You also seem to assume that the people who listen are nothing more than zombies who can't think for themselves. That's a pretty big insult, and it generalizes all too much.
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The only problem I see here is trivializing this other person's tragedy. Unless it's fiction, of course. I suppose it is. Hell, even if it is fiction, it's always sad to see a character die.
Famous people deal with this kind of shit all the time. He knew the risks when he decided to be so controversial. |
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I thought it was hilarious
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Solely going off of the content of the video itself and completely ignoring everything about Glenn Beck, it was pretty stupid for the most part. Even if it was about Brett Favre, I still probably wouldn't have found this funny. It just seemed out of taste.
That being said, I would not be the slightest bit surprised if Glenn Beck decides to put this on his show and once again arrogantly and ignorantly banter about how the liberals are trying to kill him or something stupid like that.
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