Is it possible to have reached a limit? Could I get better?

**xKENSEIx**

Hi guys,

I've been playing GH for years, and managed to get quite good (5* TTFAF, FC many songs, etc.) but I've always thought that I should be better than that given the amount of practice I've put in.

It got me thinking; does a human have a certain personal limit, that once they reach they can't improve? I really want to be one of the top players, but no matter how hard I try, I just stay at this level (which I've been at for over a year now).

It would be nice if somebody could tell me I'm crazy and that there is no limit, and tell me exactly how to go about getting better, but I don't know if I'd be able to.

I've been learning how to tap, and have gotten good at it and even that seems to have reached a limit too.

How did the pros reach that status?

EDIT: I forgot to add that I know this is just a game but it's something I'm very passionate about and it's really getting me quite upset that I'm stuck where I am.

Thank you.

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**Blashyrkh** · Joined: 29 Aug 2010 Posts: 65

Think of it like an RPG. Each new level requires more experience than the previous one. As such, you need to practice more and more to attain the same level of improvement as you get better.

I don't think there's a 'limit' as such, it just depends on your application. You say you can 5* TTFAF, so start working on an FC of a section of the solo working towards the whole thing.

You need to set harder goals.

**Shaffx95** · Joined: 16 Aug 2010 Posts: 795

The only limit is your body limit. If your fingers can move fast enough to hit the craziness in One Fast Solo A, it's just a matter of "brain control".
I don't know how to explain exactly, but what i'm trying to say is that, if your body doesn't stop you from getting faster and faster (a.k.a hurting your fingers or getting tired), it's just a matter of controlling your finger movements during fast sections. And the only way to do this is practicing

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**BobDole** · Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 2150 Location: Troy, New York

I really don't see any reason to believe in a personal "limit." People just progress at different speeds. I've probably played these games a lot more than some of the elite players, but I'm nowhere near as good as them. Still, to this day I know that I'm improving (very slowly) when I play, as evidenced by those times when I go back and try a song that used to be hard for me and find that it's now easy or at least easier.

Shaffx95's point about finger speed is solid, though honestly if you learn the right methods, very little in these games will even require your fingers to move all that fast. One FSA for example...if you're alt-tapping it, your fingers aren't really moving that fast. That's not to say it isn't difficult to alt-tap it because it definitely is...just that the difficulty is in executing your chosen method cleanly, not in getting your fingers to move "fast enough."

That's also not to say that nothing in these games will make your fingers move really fast, but it's not as big of an obstacle as you may think it is. Besides, finger speed is something that should gradually improve the more you play.
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**xKENSEIx** · Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:38 pm Post subject:

Thank you for the replies everyone.

Actually, after I had posted this, I played some more GH and managed to get -2 on Mosh 1 and -5(?) on First Blood, both Expert, which is something I had never done before. I believe that I may end up getting past my Guitar Hero "limit" soon.

I've done some more thinking too, and I've come to the conclusion that it may not be a personal limit that's getting me, but a lack of motivation. I know I've been working hard at First Blood on Greatest Hits, but I looked back at other sections I used to work on: Solo D on Cliffs of Dover; the solo to The Shortest Straw; the tap notes at the end of Demolition Man; even Yes We Can which I can't FC due to hating the song so much and screwing up, and why I hadn't FC'ed them in the end. It's not due to them being too hard for me, but because I've gotten too frustrated and just gave up on them.

Without the motivation to get better and FC these songs, I'm never going to get anywhere, right? Also, I was told by my fiancee that I tell myself that I'm terrible at these games, which will also affect my motivation, and make me believe that I am actually a bad player.

How do some of you keep the motivation, even if you're getting terrible results from your playing? I've never been good at getting motivated, especially as I've not had the best faith put in me since I was a child, so I'm almost certain that this is what I need.
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**xKENSEIx** · Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:25 pm Post subject:

I'm very passionate about Guitar Hero. I enjoy it like an Olympic runner enjoys running. Even though it is just a video game, I take it very seriously.

Spanish Fly is the song that has caused the majority of this thread. I've been trying to 5* it for ages and was getting nowhere.

I've actually read a thread created by Master-Tesuch, who has given me hope that I can achieve great things with this game. I read through his Accomplishment thread, his FreeBird post and his journey to FC Jordan, from just wanting to replicate a picture he saw of the solo, to the encouragement he got to FC it and it has really opened my eyes.

I lack that encouragement, and I think I really need that. Not only for Guitar Hero, but in all honesty; for my life. I never get any encouraging words thrown my way and that's why I'm such a recluse. Enough of my depressing life...

I'm going to start doing what Blashyrkh said; Set harder goals. I've never even set any goals, not proper ones anyway.

Thank you for your reply, I will go back to all of my older games as I do own all but GH5. I won't play GH2, because no matter what I can't get used to the notes anymore and the way the highway is tilted.
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**f4phantom2500** · Joined: 15 Mar 2007 Posts: 2885

it's mostly psychological dude; a mental block. you think you can't do something thus you aren't able to do it. for me, there was a distinct transition point from when i was 'pretty good' to 'really good'. up until i was really good, there were songs that i knew i could fc, and songs that were beyond me. instead of spending all my game time fc'ing the songs i knew i could fc, i would spend a good bit of time working on the hard sections in the songs that were beyond me. then, by the time i had fc'ed all the songs that i was previously capable of fcing, low and behold, there were more songs that i could fc. in gh2, it eventually got to the point where i was working on h18 and jordan, even though they were not my immediate goals. now, i've fc'ed them.

this relates back to the point about setting goals for yourself; practice stuff that you know is out of your reach, even if on the slower speeds; this will make you much better at the easier songs.

however, for awhile now it hasn't been like that; my perspective on the game has changed. i look at every song that i haven't fc'ed and i see songs that i can get with relatively little effort, and then songs that i can get with more substantial efforts. i really don't believe that there's anything on disc that i can't do...except maybe i'm the one.
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**xKENSEIx** · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:57 pm Post subject:

The encouragement that I'm getting in my accomplishments thread has done me wonders! I know it's not the best FC in the world, but I FC'd Freya on Guitar Hero 2 yesterday, something I never thought I could do before.

I'm going to get a lot better, very quickly at this rate, as I've FC'ed at least 10 songs since talking to you guys and making my thread.

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**rparker** · Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Posts: 4

Yeah, there would be a limit, even on this game, there is a limit. hit every note perfectly, complete the combo for the whole song. Make sure that you have the power-up until the end just to name a few. It would be a tough challenge to time when you would use the score multiplier so that it would last the longest. That would be where some points would be contested. Though if you have played the game for a very long time already. You would know when to do it.

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I wrote a pretty thorough guide for improving your skills, if you'd like to check it out: http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=105022

Your "limit" I think is only really controlled by how much time/effort you want to put into the game. The legends like ggamer/gamo are as beast as they are because they have both practiced a lot and continue to challenge themselves with insanely difficult customs. As long as you continue to challenge yourself, you will continue to improve. It will take longer to get better, the better you get, but you will be quite happy to see yourself improving.
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