Surrender

**JCirri** · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 4576

**tma** · Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1414 Location: Australia

The PS2 version of this song has a lot more notes in it, and so that path isn't the optimal path for the 360 version. Here's one I came up with:

2 - straight away
2 - straight away
2 - bar 62 (two long yellows)
2 - straight away
2 - bar 131 (quick yellows after long notes)

**SkeksisMystics** · Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 29 Location: Berkeley, CA

That's exactly what I used.

A note on the squeezes:
2 - not possible
2 - squeeze
2 - may be possible but I can't get it
2 - squeeze to get more of the G-hold at the end
2 - squeeze

Also, this is not the only song on easy that is different from the PS2 version:
PS2 version has more base points on Surrender (6658), HSB (150), and all DLC except AoS and Killer Queen
360 version has more base points on Monkey Wrench (68), FoP (400), and Lady Lightning (9)
360 version has two extra SP phrases on Stop, X-Stream, and YWC
(Thanks to pata70 for getting all the cutoffs!)

EDIT: There is also a difference in base points in JtF from the PS2-NTSC to the PS2-PAL/360 version.
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**matta** · Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 3

**tma** · Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1414 Location: Australia

**matta** · Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 3

Im still lost with all of this. If you used the note chart to explain it better I might understand more, but from what Im understanding so far by reading the note chart is that I know when exactly im at 4x and I got half of the song memorized to where I know when I activate the star power I know when it ends. And yes the button modification will help me alot get the score I want on surrender - easy. I'll sit there and tilt the guitar I don't know how many times and the damn thing wont respond. I never had that much trouble with the tilt on the PS2 version. Thanks alot and when I get surrender done I'll post it asap.

EDIT: I FINALLY GOT IT, BUT THE LAST PART. I MAY NEED HELP WITH IT. I'LL USE THE NOTE CHART AND POST IT UP OF WHERE I USE MY STAR POWER AND EVERYTHING. THAN YOU GUYS MAY BE ABLE TO PIN POINT IT BETTER THAN ME. I GET 80,000 RIGHT AT THE END, SO I KNOW I MESSED UP SOMEWHERE AT THE END USING MY STAR POWER.

Matta

**SkeksisMystics** · Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 29 Location: Berkeley, CA

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t144/SkeksisMystics/Other/EASY_Surrender_path.png

This is the path that I (and tma) used as detailed above. We're not saying it's the optimal path; in fact I can see one change that I'd make already (and will try tonight). However, it shows where you should be activating if you are trying to use that path.

My SP whammy extraction numbers are estimates based on the chart (25 hold points equal to 1 beat of extra SP). Extra ticks can be earned by striking and whammying those hold notes slightly early. You need to make sure that you at least whammy extract the entire hold though.

I think you are losing points elsewhere (ie. not just squeezing) as you are 1400 points short of the leader and there are only about 500-700 squeeze points on this song.

Make sure to read some more about squeezing and whammying. There is a ton out there and lots of people are much better at it than I. You'll definitely want to use the back button to optimize your score though. My modification to the back button is a pencil eraser with a quarter taped on top of it, which has worked very well. Maybe I'll post a pic tonight. Good luck!

EDIT: FYI, the two changes I would make would be on the second and fifth activations. I would move each up a measure. On the second this would prevent missing some points on the R hold by hitting the G too early. And on the fifth it may allow you to squeeze in some of the R hold points.
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**tma** · Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1414 Location: Australia

**SkeksisMystics** · Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 29 Location: Berkeley, CA

Well I tried the new strategy and was also able to pick up the squeeze I had been missing (and first place for the moment). I think that there are still a few ticks left to get on the last squeeze (and possibly another squeezed note in the fourth activation!).

Also I posted my modification to the back button for those interested:

http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17478
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**matta** · Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 3

Once again very nice SkeksisMystics!

The second activation I know I been getting more points from it. Like 200 more if I remember correctly. The third activation I know I squeezed in that G before. The fourth activation Im gonna try something different. I would like to know how that one guy got all the ticks at the end if he did.

Another idea I thought of that might help us 1. some cheap type of a recording device or 2. just quit playing and write the score down. Meaning:

1. A recording device where we can review what we did and how we did it to get the score we did and to show others.

2. Write your score down after the activation

Sorry for the confusing thoughts but what Im trying to say is i.e. after the first activation is done don't hit the next note and just stop and write down your score. I'll try by tonite or tomorrow to have the note chart up with scores posted after the activation.

Hope this will help us get the scoring down to the cutoff.
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Matta

[ ] P.I. Pass every song on easy to see how close I can be to the leader.
[ ] P.II. Work on getting top 5 on easy (means a lot of work)

**tma** · Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1414 Location: Australia

I stole your 1st place Skek.

I think I'm missing one tick somewhere, based on RDTopaque07's score, and you're right... that extra note in measure 103 after the 4th activation is tantalizingly close...

**tma** · Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1414 Location: Australia

**debr5836** · Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 1159 Location: Fort Collins, CO

spopt2.pl results for "Surrender" (gh2-x360/easy) generated on 07/20/2007

NOTE: Easy squeeze interval of +/- 0.1667s is still in question.
This could result in optimistic results.

lazy-whammy (87490) PNG TXT
no-squeeze (88154) PNG TXT
big-squeeze (88694) PNG TXT
nearly-ideal (88990) PNG TXT
upper-bound (89018) PNG TXT

KEY
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Lazy Whammy ---- No squeezing, all whammys start 0.5 beats late
No Squeeze ---- No squeezing, no early whammying
Big Squeeze ---- 80% of the max possible squeeze, no early whammying
Nearly Ideal ---- 80% of the max possible squeeze, 80% of the max possible early whammying
Upper Bound ---- 100% of the max possible squeeze, 100% of the max possible early whammying

big-squeeze path details
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File: surrender.mid
Solution Path: 2-2-2-2-2
Estimated Base score 18620
Estimated 4* cutoff 37240
Estimated 5* cutoff 52136
Estimated Perfect w/o SP 70686
Estimated SP Score 18008
Estimated Total Score 88694
Activations:
#1 From meas 23.0000 (G note) to meas 29.6865 (G sust) ( 22.7576- 29.6865) Score: 3944 (14.0+ 5.7)*200
#2 From meas 38.0000 (G note) to meas 42.0000 (G note) ( 37.9990- 41.9990) Score: 1976 ( 6.0+ 3.9)*200
#3 From meas 62.0000 (Y note) to meas 69.0000 (G note) ( 61.8722- 69.0010) Score: 4488 (15.0+ 7.4)*200
#4 From meas 97.0000 (Y note) to meas 103.4024 (G sust) ( 97.0724-103.4024) Score: 4172 (14.0+ 6.9)*200
#5 From meas 132.0000 (Y note) to meas 136.0729 (R sust) (132.0729-136.0729) Score: 3428 (17.0+ 0.1)*200

nearly-ideal path details
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File: surrender.mid
Solution Path: C2-2-2-2-2
Estimated Base score 18620
Estimated 4* cutoff 37240
Estimated 5* cutoff 52136
Estimated Perfect w/o SP 70686
Estimated SP Score 18304
Estimated Total Score 88990
Activations:
#1 From meas 23.0000 (G note) to meas 29.9271 (G sust) ( 22.6979- 29.9271) Score: 3944 (14.0+ 5.7)*200
#2 From meas 38.0000 (G note) to meas 42.0000 (G note) ( 37.9990- 41.9990) Score: 1976 ( 6.0+ 3.9)*200
#3 From meas 61.5000 (G note) to meas 69.0000 (G note) ( 61.4990- 68.9451) Score: 4688 (16.0+ 7.4)*200
#4 From meas 97.0000 (Y note) to meas 103.6435 (G sust) ( 97.0724-103.6435) Score: 4268 (14.0+ 7.3)*200
#5 From meas 132.0000 (Y note) to meas 136.0729 (R sust) (132.0729-136.0729) Score: 3428 (17.0+ 0.1)*200

upper-bound path details
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File: surrender.mid
Solution Path: C2-2-2-2-2
Estimated Base score 18620
Estimated 4* cutoff 37240
Estimated 5* cutoff 52136
Estimated Perfect w/o SP 70686
Estimated SP Score 18332
Estimated Total Score 89018
Activations:
#1 From meas 23.0000 (G note) to meas 29.9083 (G sust) ( 22.7167- 29.9083) Score: 3944 (14.0+ 5.7)*200
#2 From meas 38.0000 (G note) to meas 42.0000 (G note) ( 37.9990- 41.9990) Score: 1976 ( 6.0+ 3.9)*200
#3 From meas 61.5000 (G note) to meas 69.0000 (G note) ( 61.4749- 69.0010) Score: 4688 (16.0+ 7.4)*200
#4 From meas 97.0000 (Y note) to meas 103.6865 (G sust) ( 97.0548-103.6865) Score: 4288 (14.0+ 7.4)*200
#5 From meas 132.0000 (Y note) to meas 136.0917 (R sust) (132.0917-136.0917) Score: 3436 (17.0+ 0.2)*200

Please post any bugs/questions about these auto-generated paths HERE.