Lighting/Band/Crowd Events & Notes (New lighting ideas.)

[psuzeppelin5]

ok, through Dazed and Confused, I've figured out what lighting (chase) does. The light doesn't necessarily chase the guitarist, but the guitarist kind of runs across the stage, while bending down.
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[psuzeppelin5]

ok, through Dazed and Confused, I've figured out what lighting (chase) does. The light doesn't necessarily chase the guitarist, but the guitarist kind of runs across the stage, while bending down.
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[blakf0xo4]

Ok, I'm copying the video to my computer. It turned out ABSOLUTELY amazing. The only upset is that I couldn't find the Autoplay thing so I had to play it myself. thus meaning that a few lighting events didn't show up because of that But it's ok, because you'll get the general idea.

I also have some half_tempo and normal_tempo changes. I will give details of that later.


I placed note 48 triggers at 74 places in the song, some with lighting (). The idea was that whenever a lighting () appeared with a note 48, the lighting color changes in the game would restart to the first color change that it would run to.

I really want to make a better video with autoplay on, so if anybody can help me there...


I am posting a video later today with more comments on major lighting changes for you all to look at.
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Edit: UPDATE - Here is the link to the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D3obEMDSaQ

Most subtitles are readable, except the only one in green font, which says, "First two green are Note 48's w/ lighting ()"

First off, ALL of those fast color changes were done manually and none of them are random. I had to do all of the conversion of numeric to frames myself! (Ex: Take 2:24.644 now use .644 and divide .644 by 3.3 ... Now do that 74 times!)

In [solo] there seems to be only two settings for color changes for note 48, one being RED-DARKBLUE, and the other a WHITE with some green in the back panels (maybe its just Blackout Bar). This can be seen in the video at (3:34-3:58 [before it there are color 1 & 2 changes])

In [verse], I'm seeing the addition of GREEN color as a third setting and RED and BLUE splitting as two color options (3:58-4:01).

I didn't use [chorus] so I couldn't know what are those settings, I may try that on a future burn. But it obviously for the most part will not say anything new.

As far as I know, lighting () did it's job at restarting the color changes with note 48. (2:26-2:28) shows a RY [red yellow] hammer on followed by a RB hammer on. On the first R there's Note 48 & lighting (), which is WHITE. During the B you see a quick WHITE-to-REDBLUE change. This is caused by a slight imperfection in laying Note 48's in the triggers track. There was a lighting () followed by a split second note 48. Since both changes started with lighting () and both changes started on the color WHITE... well you could say that this theory works.


In essence, NOTE 48 does switch between different colors... Also, on my future burn, I'll see if I can clear up things with other triggers (26, 28, 49, 50).

[blakf0xo4]

Ok, I'm copying the video to my computer. It turned out ABSOLUTELY amazing. The only upset is that I couldn't find the Autoplay thing so I had to play it myself. thus meaning that a few lighting events didn't show up because of that But it's ok, because you'll get the general idea.

I also have some half_tempo and normal_tempo changes. I will give details of that later.


I placed note 48 triggers at 74 places in the song, some with lighting (). The idea was that whenever a lighting () appeared with a note 48, the lighting color changes in the game would restart to the first color change that it would run to.

I really want to make a better video with autoplay on, so if anybody can help me there...


I am posting a video later today with more comments on major lighting changes for you all to look at.
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Edit: UPDATE - Here is the link to the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D3obEMDSaQ

Most subtitles are readable, except the only one in green font, which says, "First two green are Note 48's w/ lighting ()"

First off, ALL of those fast color changes were done manually and none of them are random. I had to do all of the conversion of numeric to frames myself! (Ex: Take 2:24.644 now use .644 and divide .644 by 3.3 ... Now do that 74 times!)

In [solo] there seems to be only two settings for color changes for note 48, one being RED-DARKBLUE, and the other a WHITE with some green in the back panels (maybe its just Blackout Bar). This can be seen in the video at (3:34-3:58 [before it there are color 1 & 2 changes])

In [verse], I'm seeing the addition of GREEN color as a third setting and RED and BLUE splitting as two color options (3:58-4:01).

I didn't use [chorus] so I couldn't know what are those settings, I may try that on a future burn. But it obviously for the most part will not say anything new.

As far as I know, lighting () did it's job at restarting the color changes with note 48. (2:26-2:28) shows a RY [red yellow] hammer on followed by a RB hammer on. On the first R there's Note 48 & lighting (), which is WHITE. During the B you see a quick WHITE-to-REDBLUE change. This is caused by a slight imperfection in laying Note 48's in the triggers track. There was a lighting () followed by a split second note 48. Since both changes started with lighting () and both changes started on the color WHITE... well you could say that this theory works.


In essence, NOTE 48 does switch between different colors... Also, on my future burn, I'll see if I can clear up things with other triggers (26, 28, 49, 50).

[SephirothX]

Nice guide. I have one question though, dunno if anyone's asked yet, but how fast is the strobe light, relative to tempo? (i.e. do the flashes line up with 8th notes, 16th notes, what?)

[SephirothX]

Nice guide. I have one question though, dunno if anyone's asked yet, but how fast is the strobe light, relative to tempo? (i.e. do the flashes line up with 8th notes, 16th notes, what?)

[microgamer2vs2]

I'm not sure if the speed of a strobe light depends on the temp of a song ('cause a really slow song would have a really boring strobe light), but I'd say that it's closer to being aligned up with the 16th notes. I'm under the impression that the strobe light is a constant speed though like 14 flashes per second or something...could be wrong.

Thanks for the video, blakf0xo4. Yeah the conversion process for the timing of the midi notes is pretty sucky, though I usually just listen to the midi itself (piano sounds) and then use my judgment from there. I think you're right about the 'solo' event having only two colors, I might've noticed that too.

As for the other notes in the Triggers track, I've been thinking/speculating. First of all, I'm pretty sure that note 49 goes backwards in the color cycle of lighting () (which you'd think is self explanatory since the note's called "do_lighting_prev_keyframe", but I had some doubt since I used note 49 during a lighting () with 'solo'...so going by this logic note 58 goes back to the first color...?). The other notes, while they control the actual animations of the drum set, seem to effect some lighting aspects as well (in looking at the HMX Arena venue, you'll see in an official game chart that the lights of the buildings in the background flicker on and off, but that's usually not the case in custom charts.) And as for the venue effect, I've been looking to each venue to see what each effect is but I was only able to figure the venue effect out for two stages. In the Vans Warped Tour venue, the statues on the side spew out fire during note 52; in the HMX arena, pillars of fire shoot up in the background (it's kinda hard to notice though).

[microgamer2vs2]

I'm not sure if the speed of a strobe light depends on the temp of a song ('cause a really slow song would have a really boring strobe light), but I'd say that it's closer to being aligned up with the 16th notes. I'm under the impression that the strobe light is a constant speed though like 14 flashes per second or something...could be wrong.

Thanks for the video, blakf0xo4. Yeah the conversion process for the timing of the midi notes is pretty sucky, though I usually just listen to the midi itself (piano sounds) and then use my judgment from there. I think you're right about the 'solo' event having only two colors, I might've noticed that too.

As for the other notes in the Triggers track, I've been thinking/speculating. First of all, I'm pretty sure that note 49 goes backwards in the color cycle of lighting () (which you'd think is self explanatory since the note's called "do_lighting_prev_keyframe", but I had some doubt since I used note 49 during a lighting () with 'solo'...so going by this logic note 58 goes back to the first color...?). The other notes, while they control the actual animations of the drum set, seem to effect some lighting aspects as well (in looking at the HMX Arena venue, you'll see in an official game chart that the lights of the buildings in the background flicker on and off, but that's usually not the case in custom charts.) And as for the venue effect, I've been looking to each venue to see what each effect is but I was only able to figure the venue effect out for two stages. In the Vans Warped Tour venue, the statues on the side spew out fire during note 52; in the HMX arena, pillars of fire shoot up in the background (it's kinda hard to notice though).

[Chil]

Notes 24, 25, and 26 in TRIGGERS only determine how the drumbeat plays in practice mode. Notes 36 and 37 in BAND DRUMS control the animation for the bass drum and crash cymbal.
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[Chil]

Notes 24, 25, and 26 in TRIGGERS only determine how the drumbeat plays in practice mode. Notes 36 and 37 in BAND DRUMS control the animation for the bass drum and crash cymbal.
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[jakethesnake34]

ok i need help on FeedBack, it wont let me put mp3 music in there and when I do and press new chart it says no music stream for every song!!!! then i go to chart settings to customize that and everything works until i get to the audio/music solution.... it then says that its sending an error report to windows???!!! Any Solutions??!! plzzz

[jakethesnake34]

ok i need help on FeedBack, it wont let me put mp3 music in there and when I do and press new chart it says no music stream for every song!!!! then i go to chart settings to customize that and everything works until i get to the audio/music solution.... it then says that its sending an error report to windows???!!! Any Solutions??!! plzzz

[mdizzy]

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[Chil]

There is no color 3. I've never actually tried to put it in, but I'm pretty sure GHex will give you an error about an unsupported string if you do.
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[Chil]

There is no color 3. I've never actually tried to put it in, but I'm pretty sure GHex will give you an error about an unsupported string if you do.
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[punkforlife93]

I read about the note for the singer's mouth, and thought that it was interesting...is there any way to do this for feedback? And if there isn't, how exactly do you do it on an midi file? Thanks!

[punkforlife93]

I read about the note for the singer's mouth, and thought that it was interesting...is there any way to do this for feedback? And if there isn't, how exactly do you do it on an midi file? Thanks!

[ragnorky]

[ragnorky]

[littlehero]

I'm an idiot. I had no idea what strobe lighting was, but I figured "Hey! It must be some slow lighting perfect for slow sections.". So now the lighting on a lot of my charts with slow sections are fucked up.

Is there any lighting except for "lighting(blackout)" ideal for slow parts?
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darthragar wrote:

Rich D1? i thought LTE guitarist was John Petrucci.

I DO NOT have a GH for PS2 or PC, nor a PS2 to hack. Please make videos for my songs, I really want to see them in action.

I'm an idiot. I had no idea what strobe lighting, but I figured "Hey! It must be some slow lighting perfect for slow sections.". So now the lighting on a lot of my charts with slow sections are fucked up.

[littlehero]

I'm an idiot. I had no idea what strobe lighting was, but I figured "Hey! It must be some slow lighting perfect for slow sections.". So now the lighting on a lot of my charts with slow sections are fucked up.

Is there any lighting except for "lighting(blackout)" ideal for slow parts?
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darthragar wrote:

Rich D1? i thought LTE guitarist was John Petrucci.

I DO NOT have a GH for PS2 or PC, nor a PS2 to hack. Please make videos for my songs, I really want to see them in action.

I'm an idiot. I had no idea what strobe lighting, but I figured "Hey! It must be some slow lighting perfect for slow sections.". So now the lighting on a lot of my charts with slow sections are fucked up.

[microgamer2vs2]

'lighting(sweep)' works for some venues. In some, it's a slow rising array of light (Detroit Rock, HMX Arena), in others it's a continually dancing rays of lights (Vans, Stonehenge). You can also try 'lighting()' in tandem with the 'solo' event, which is just a spotlight on the guitarist most of the time.

@ragnorky: any MIDI program you can obtain anywhere; Google is a good way to start. Search 'cakewalk sonar' or 'anvil studio' or 'free MIDI software'.

[microgamer2vs2]

'lighting(sweep)' works for some venues. In some, it's a slow rising array of light (Detroit Rock, HMX Arena), in others it's a continually dancing rays of lights (Vans, Stonehenge). You can also try 'lighting()' in tandem with the 'solo' event, which is just a spotlight on the guitarist most of the time.

@ragnorky: any MIDI program you can obtain anywhere; Google is a good way to start. Search 'cakewalk sonar' or 'anvil studio' or 'free MIDI software'.

[hockey2112]

I have what appears to be a universal solution for when a song freezes at the "loading cassette" screen. I discovered it when creating my 311 Hero customized Guitar Hero 2 disc.

I had seven of my 311 charts freeze up on me when playing at Stonehenge, but they played fine at Battle of the Bands. They also froze at venues # 4, 5, 6, and 7.

I tried everything I could think of to get them to work. I tried playing the songs in other venues (they worked in some of the earlier ones, but still froze in pretty much all venues from #4 through #8). So I figured I would strip the charts of all lighting, triggers... everything but notes and sections.

The result was... the songs played fine! As an experiment, I re-added the lighting triggers, removed only the extra animations (the track events... solo_on/off, wail_on/off, headbang, etc), leaving only the first "play" and the last "idle" triggers (I removed any other "plays" and "idles" that I had in there too... for instance, an "idle" at a stoppage in play during the song, and a "play" when the guitar started playing again).

It seems as though GH2 doesn't like these extra animations (headbang, solo on/off, wail, etc) in these latter stages. I removed the animations and viola, the songs play perfectly!

Got a chart that constantly freezes on you like this? Have you tried everything in the main "freezing" thread? Try removing the animations! You will probably be pleased by the result.

(By the way, I found the easiest way to remove these triggers is to do find/replace in notepad... open the chart in notepad, find one of the animation triggers in one of the chart difficulties, highlight the entire line, click Ctrl+H, paste the line into "Find", and leave "Replace" blank. This will delete that line in all difficulties. Repeat until all animations are gone)


And lastly, I have a plea to all charters: when it comes to charting, let's follow the rule of K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple, Stupid). For the sake of maximizing the compatibility of our charts, let's leave out the animation triggers, except for the "play" and "idle" triggers at the start and end of the chart. Sure, it looks cool to have your character headbang or to have his hands catch on fire, but the point of a custom disc is to be able actually play the song. Let's make it easier on ourselves and everyone else here and just keep it simple.
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[hockey2112]

I have what appears to be a universal solution for when a song freezes at the "loading cassette" screen. I discovered it when creating my 311 Hero customized Guitar Hero 2 disc.

I had seven of my 311 charts freeze up on me when playing at Stonehenge, but they played fine at Battle of the Bands. They also froze at venues # 4, 5, 6, and 7.

I tried everything I could think of to get them to work. I tried playing the songs in other venues (they worked in some of the earlier ones, but still froze in pretty much all venues from #4 through #8). So I figured I would strip the charts of all lighting, triggers... everything but notes and sections.

The result was... the songs played fine! As an experiment, I re-added the lighting triggers, removed only the extra animations (the track events... solo_on/off, wail_on/off, headbang, etc), leaving only the first "play" and the last "idle" triggers (I removed any other "plays" and "idles" that I had in there too... for instance, an "idle" at a stoppage in play during the song, and a "play" when the guitar started playing again).

It seems as though GH2 doesn't like these extra animations (headbang, solo on/off, wail, etc) in these latter stages. I removed the animations and viola, the songs play perfectly!

Got a chart that constantly freezes on you like this? Have you tried everything in the main "freezing" thread? Try removing the animations! You will probably be pleased by the result.

(By the way, I found the easiest way to remove these triggers is to do find/replace in notepad... open the chart in notepad, find one of the animation triggers in one of the chart difficulties, highlight the entire line, click Ctrl+H, paste the line into "Find", and leave "Replace" blank. This will delete that line in all difficulties. Repeat until all animations are gone)


And lastly, I have a plea to all charters: when it comes to charting, let's follow the rule of K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple, Stupid). For the sake of maximizing the compatibility of our charts, let's leave out the animation triggers, except for the "play" and "idle" triggers at the start and end of the chart. Sure, it looks cool to have your character headbang or to have his hands catch on fire, but the point of a custom disc is to be able actually play the song. Let's make it easier on ourselves and everyone else here and just keep it simple.
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