Less Talk More Rokk

**JCirri** · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 4576

Note Chart

**Sully** · Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 4570 Location: Tampa, FL

2-3-2-2-1-2-2

**PriestMLH** · Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 1958 Location: Evansville, IN

I'd go 4 on the last one and activate on measure 135.
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**Sully** · Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 4570 Location: Tampa, FL

I figured 2-2 instead of 4 to get the sustain SP from the last two phrases. Are you sure 4 is better?

**NineInchNails** · Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 1267 Location: Derbyshire, UK

It's 2 notes better. I just counted.

Edit: No it's not '-' I miscounted :o

**emptyset** · Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject:

3-3-1-2-1-2-2 got me 1st by over 1K last week. Here it is graphically (and tiny):

Less Talk More Rokk (Hard) SP

Two things to keep in mind: The activation at 89 should occur at the very end of the blue hold, and the activation at 112 should also occur during the end of the RO hold. Including those, all of the other squeezes/activations are what I used.
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**debr5836** · Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 1159 Location: Fort Collins, CO

spopt.pl optimized path for lesstalkmorerokk.mid (hard)

File: lesstalkmorerokk.mid
Solution Path: 2-2-2-1-2-1-2-2
Estimated Base score 51908
Estimated Perfect w/o SP 202155
Estimated SP Score 59530
Estimated Total Score 261685
Activations:
From meas 17.2500 (B note) to meas 21.8750 (B note) Score: 8000 ((39.0 + 1.0) * 200 )
From meas 39.3750 (R note) to meas 43.6250 (G note) Score: 5600 ((28.0 + 0.0) * 200 )
From meas 55.6250 (Y note) to meas 61.0186 (GY sust) Score: 9914 ((47.0 + 2.6) * 200 )
From meas 70.3750 (R note) to meas 75.7580 (O sust) Score: 5995 ((24.0 + 6.0) * 200 )
From meas 87.7500 (B note) to meas 92.7997 (BO sust) Score: 9139 ((44.0 + 1.7) * 200 )
From meas 97.5000 (B note) to meas 101.6875 (Y note) Score: 5400 ((27.0 + 0.0) * 200 )
From meas 112.8359 (RO sust) to meas 116.8750 (B note) Score: 6680 ((32.0 + 1.4) * 200 )
From meas 140.3750 (Y note) to meas 145.0000 (RO note) Score: 8800 ((42.0 + 2.0) * 200 )

**emptyset** · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:17 am Post subject:

Some of debr5836's calculated squeezes are impossible, but the path is *just* barely better than mine by a note and some hold points. The first activation, for instance, needs to be moved back to the G note, along with several others needing to be moved back a note, and then it should be optimized. I'd estimate a perfect to be around 260800-261200 depending on what squeezes you're actually able to get...just short of 260800 is the best I'm capable of.
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**debr5836** · Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 1159 Location: Fort Collins, CO

I level-set the squeeze algorithm based on an examination of the first 20 of Barbaloot's expert charts. They certainly require both early whammying to get more SP and exploiting most of the timing window. There are even some charts for which this algorithm is not aggressive enough.

However, I agree that this one is too aggressive. I'll have to go bug-hunting through my code here. Hopefully I'll go find something.

**debr5836** · Joined: 11 Apr 2007 Posts: 1159 Location: Fort Collins, CO

spopt2.pl results for "Less Talk More Rokk" (gh2-ps2/hard) generated on 07/20/2007

lazy-whammy (258112) PNG TXT
no-squeeze (260788) PNG TXT
big-squeeze (261308) PNG TXT
nearly-ideal (261752) PNG TXT
upper-bound (262288) PNG TXT

KEY
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Lazy Whammy ---- No squeezing, all whammys start 0.5 beats late
No Squeeze ---- No squeezing, no early whammying
Big Squeeze ---- 80% of the max possible squeeze, no early whammying
Nearly Ideal ---- 80% of the max possible squeeze, 80% of the max possible early whammying
Upper Bound ---- 100% of the max possible squeeze, 100% of the max possible early whammying

big-squeeze path details
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File: lesstalkmorerokk.mid
Solution Path: 2-2-2-1-2-1-2-2
Estimated Base score 51831
Estimated 4* cutoff 103662
Estimated 5* cutoff 145126
Estimated Perfect w/o SP 202168
Estimated SP Score 59140
Estimated Total Score 261308
Activations:
#1 From meas 17.3750 (G note) to meas 21.8750 (B note) ( 17.3449- 21.8760) Score: 7800 (38.0+ 1.0)*200
#2 From meas 39.3750 (R note) to meas 43.6250 (G note) ( 39.3605- 43.6260) Score: 5600 (28.0+ 0.0)*200
#3 From meas 55.6250 (Y note) to meas 61.0000 (GY note) ( 55.6356- 60.9667) Score: 9900 (47.0+ 2.5)*200
#4 From meas 70.3750 (R note) to meas 75.7500 (O note) ( 70.3911- 75.7167) Score: 5992 (24.0+ 6.0)*200
#5 From meas 87.7500 (B note) to meas 92.7822 (BO sust) ( 87.7833- 92.7822) Score: 9124 (44.0+ 1.6)*200
#6 From meas 97.5000 (B note) to meas 101.6875 (Y note) ( 97.5231-101.6542) Score: 5400 (27.0+ 0.0)*200
#7 From meas 112.8417 (RO sust) to meas 116.8750 (B note) (112.8417-116.8417) Score: 6676 (32.0+ 1.4)*200
#8 From meas 140.5000 (B note) to meas 145.0644 (RO sust) (140.5333-145.0644) Score: 8648 (41.0+ 2.2)*200

nearly-ideal path details
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File: lesstalkmorerokk.mid
Solution Path: 2-2-2-1-2-1-2-2
Estimated Base score 51831
Estimated 4* cutoff 103662
Estimated 5* cutoff 145126
Estimated Perfect w/o SP 202168
Estimated SP Score 59584
Estimated Total Score 261752
Activations:
#1 From meas 17.2500 (B note) to meas 21.8750 (B note) ( 17.2614- 21.8458) Score: 8000 (39.0+ 1.0)*200
#2 From meas 39.3750 (R note) to meas 43.6250 (G note) ( 39.3260- 43.6260) Score: 5600 (28.0+ 0.0)*200
#3 From meas 55.6250 (Y note) to meas 61.0628 (GY sust) ( 55.6583- 61.0628) Score: 9948 (47.0+ 2.7)*200
#4 From meas 70.3750 (R note) to meas 75.7772 (O sust) ( 70.4083- 75.7772) Score: 6000 (24.0+ 6.0)*200
#5 From meas 87.7500 (B note) to meas 92.8189 (BO sust) ( 87.7833- 92.8189) Score: 9152 (44.0+ 1.8)*200
#6 From meas 97.5000 (B note) to meas 101.6875 (Y note) ( 97.4841-101.6885) Score: 5400 (27.0+ 0.0)*200
#7 From meas 112.8417 (RO sust) to meas 116.8750 (B note) (112.8417-116.8417) Score: 6676 (32.0+ 1.4)*200
#8 From meas 140.3750 (Y note) to meas 145.0128 (RO sust) (140.4083-145.0128) Score: 8808 (42.0+ 2.0)*200

upper-bound path details
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File: lesstalkmorerokk.mid
Solution Path: 2-2-2-1-2-1-2-2
Estimated Base score 51831
Estimated 4* cutoff 103662
Estimated 5* cutoff 145126
Estimated Perfect w/o SP 202168
Estimated SP Score 60120
Estimated Total Score 262288
Activations:
#1 From meas 17.2500 (B note) to meas 21.8750 (B note) ( 17.2490- 21.8467) Score: 8000 (39.0+ 1.0)*200
#2 From meas 39.2500 (B note) to meas 43.6250 (G note) ( 39.2739- 43.5828) Score: 5800 (29.0+ 0.0)*200
#3 From meas 55.5000 (R note) to meas 61.0000 (GY note) ( 55.5422- 60.9655) Score: 10100 (48.0+ 2.5)*200
#4 From meas 70.3750 (R note) to meas 75.7955 (O sust) ( 70.4172- 75.7955) Score: 6008 (24.0+ 6.0)*200
#5 From meas 87.6250 (Y note) to meas 92.7500 (BO note) ( 87.6628- 92.7078) Score: 9300 (45.0+ 1.5)*200
#6 From meas 97.5000 (B note) to meas 101.6875 (Y note) ( 97.4652-101.6885) Score: 5400 (27.0+ 0.0)*200
#7 From meas 112.8328 (RO sust) to meas 116.8750 (B note) (112.8328-116.8328) Score: 6680 (32.0+ 1.4)*200
#8 From meas 140.3750 (Y note) to meas 145.0405 (RO sust) (140.4172-145.0405) Score: 8832 (42.0+ 2.2)*200

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**epi4561** · Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 58