Season 9 Leagues Info (Need Suggestions)

[Deimos]

Well, it's been a while now since Season 8 ended, so it's probably about time to start getting things rolling on Season 9 of the leagues. We especially need to get started because we're going to try something a little different this time around, and it's going to have a bit of a lead time before we can get started.

Here's the plan of how this season is going to progress:

1) Take suggestions for which leagues to run, in this thread. We're looking to have a more interesting season this time than just "newest GH game" + Rock Band. You want GH2 leagues back? Suggest it. Co-op leagues? Suggest it. The suggestion process will probably last for 1-2 weeks, we'll see how many suggestions we get. (I'm expecting a LOT).

2) Open sign-ups for a metric ton of leagues. Pretty much any suggestion that we think has potential will be available to sign up for. However, here's the catch: each user will only be able to sign up for a particular number of leagues. (Exact maximum not decided yet) So you're all going to have to decide which league ideas you like the most, since you'll only be able to sign up for a few. This initial sign-up period will probably last approximately a week.

3) After the initial sign-ups close, we will decide on a threshold of how many sign-ups is "too few" for a league to actually run. Any leagues with too few sign-ups will be dropped. Sign-ups will then open again for all the leagues that were not dropped, so that people can select new leagues if some of their chosen leagues were discarded. This secondary sign-up period will last somewhere in the range of a few days to a week.

4) Leagues actually start.

So, what we need from you:

Firstly, post suggestions for what leagues you would like to see! These can be as simple or as complex as you can come up with. If we think it's a good idea, we'll give it a try, and if enough people sign up for it, we'll run it. There's definitely the potential to have some really interesting leagues run this season, so try to come up with some fun ones. I'm going to be trying to track all the current suggestions in the post below this one, so that people aren't constantly suggesting the same thing. We know you want GH2 leagues again, we don't need 10 pages of posts repeatedly saying as much.

Secondly, I need input as to how many leagues is "too many", this is for the purpose of deciding what we will set the maximum number of signups at. This turned out to be a bit of a problem in Season 8 where people would sign up for every single Rock Band league, as well as a GH3 league, and then not submit for half of the ones we signed up for. So we need to find a realistic number of leagues that a person can handle participating in at the same time. I'm currently leaning to a maximum of three signups per user, but I'm willing to change that if people can convince me.
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[Deimos]

Well, it's been a while now since Season 8 ended, so it's probably about time to start getting things rolling on Season 9 of the leagues. We especially need to get started because we're going to try something a little different this time around, and it's going to have a bit of a lead time before we can get started.

Here's the plan of how this season is going to progress:

1) Take suggestions for which leagues to run, in this thread. We're looking to have a more interesting season this time than just "newest GH game" + Rock Band. You want GH2 leagues back? Suggest it. Co-op leagues? Suggest it. The suggestion process will probably last for 1-2 weeks, we'll see how many suggestions we get. (I'm expecting a LOT).

2) Open sign-ups for a metric ton of leagues. Pretty much any suggestion that we think has potential will be available to sign up for. However, here's the catch: each user will only be able to sign up for a particular number of leagues. (Exact maximum not decided yet) So you're all going to have to decide which league ideas you like the most, since you'll only be able to sign up for a few. This initial sign-up period will probably last approximately a week.

3) After the initial sign-ups close, we will decide on a threshold of how many sign-ups is "too few" for a league to actually run. Any leagues with too few sign-ups will be dropped. Sign-ups will then open again for all the leagues that were not dropped, so that people can select new leagues if some of their chosen leagues were discarded. This secondary sign-up period will last somewhere in the range of a few days to a week.

4) Leagues actually start.

So, what we need from you:

Firstly, post suggestions for what leagues you would like to see! These can be as simple or as complex as you can come up with. If we think it's a good idea, we'll give it a try, and if enough people sign up for it, we'll run it. There's definitely the potential to have some really interesting leagues run this season, so try to come up with some fun ones. I'm going to be trying to track all the current suggestions in the post below this one, so that people aren't constantly suggesting the same thing. We know you want GH2 leagues again, we don't need 10 pages of posts repeatedly saying as much.

Secondly, I need input as to how many leagues is "too many", this is for the purpose of deciding what we will set the maximum number of signups at. This turned out to be a bit of a problem in Season 8 where people would sign up for every single Rock Band league, as well as a GH3 league, and then not submit for half of the ones we signed up for. So we need to find a realistic number of leagues that a person can handle participating in at the same time. I'm currently leaning to a maximum of three signups per user, but I'm willing to change that if people can convince me.
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[Deimos]

I'm going to start this post off with two ideas of my own that I really want to run this season. Hopefully it'll give you an idea of what sort of things could potentially run, and how much detail you need to give with your ideas. I will start a list of other suggestions below these.

Deimos' Ideas

One-Man Band League [RB]
Instead of the typical four songs per week, this league has only one song a week. However, you must submit a score for that song on all four instruments individually. You can submit an instrument score from any difficulty you wish (so if you play Expert guitar/bass, but Medium vocals/drums, that's ok), and the week's rankings will be determined by total score between all instruments.

All-GH-Games League [GH1,GH2,GH80s,GH3]
Four songs per week, one from each Guitar Hero game. The 360-exclusive GH2 songs will be excluded, but obviously this league will require a PS2 to participate in anyway. Scoring is the same as normal, individual rankings by song. Different difficulties could be offered, Expert and Hard will be most likely to run, as usual.

Your Ideas

GH Leagues

Regular Expert/Hard/Medium Leagues [GH1/GH2/GH80s/GH3]
Just the "standard" league style. 4 songs a week, rankings on score. Would be split into the typical AAA/AA/A type divisions with enough signups. We'd have to see where there's enough interest, to decide which specific games to run. YES, GH2!

DLC-Included League[GH2-360/GH3]
I don't think either of these games have enough DLC to make all song selections DLC, but perhaps 1 or 2 songs a week out of the 4 could come from the DLC list. People participating in this league would either already have to own all DLC, or be willing to buy anything that comes up.

Guitar Hero Co-op Leagues [GH2/GH80s/GH3]
Co-op league, could potentially work for any of the games. However, GH3 may be most likely to succeed due to online play being available. The issue there is that GH3 online co-op has a large number of bugs that negatively impact score, so people playing locally would have a huge advantage.

Standard Controller League [any GH game]
For the Dual-Shockers and such. Not really sure if this one would run, we don't have that many people that play on regular controllers, that I know of. Guess it wouldn't hurt to try though, which game(s) would be best for this? GH2?

RB Leagues

Individual Instrument/Difficulty Leagues [RB]
Same standard format as Season 8 used. 4 songs per week, no DLC songs will be selected.

Full-Band League [RB]
Exactly what it sounds like. However I think that for this league we will probably reduce the number of songs per week. Trying to get four people together during a week to work on songs, even online, is a challenge. I think maybe 2-3 songs a week is better than 4, that may be too many. Opinions?

PS2 "Band" League [RB]
Since the PS2 version doesn't have online play, this would be about as close as we could get. Team up with 3 other people, one on each instrument, and you each submit your scores for the week individually. The scores are then added together, and rankings happen by which bands have the highest combination scores. Could probably even do 4 songs a week in this league, since it's not dependent on everyone being able to play at the same time.

Vocals+Guitar/Bass/Drums Leagues [RB]
Separate solo leagues (i.e. vocals+drums is a different league than vocals+guitar), playing both vocals and one instrument at the same time. 4 songs per week should still be fine, and any difficulty combination could be used.

Two-player Rock Band Leagues [RB]
To be entered with a partner. There are 6 potential instrument combinations, I'm not sure how many would actually run though. I suppose we could open signups for all combinations and seeing where there is enough interest.

All-DLC Leagues [RB]
I think the best setups for these would be the 4 instruments individually, and a full-band league (maybe even one-man band). All songs will be DLC, so either you need to already own all the DLC or be willing to buy any songs that are selected. 4 songs per week same as standard leagues of their type.

Either/Both Games Leagues

Twists League [any game]
Everybody (except elx) loves twists, I guess. This could potentially work with any game, however perhaps 4 songs a week is too many, that's a lot of twists. Potentially could do something like 2 normal songs + 2 twist songs, or just have 2 songs a week. I'm especially interested in the twists potential for the non-guitar instruments in Rock Band. Vocal twists and drum twists could both be entertaining.

Xbox 360 "All Games" League [GH2-360,GH3]
For those folks that don't have the PS2 games. This would be able to use the 10 xbox360 exclusive songs from GH2. It will most likely be done with two GH2 songs per week and two GH3.

"Live" League [any game]
This is an interesting idea. The commissioner would schedule a time with each person for their one run at the song. Whatever score they get is their week's score. This could be either done through a stream, or even by connecting online with the person in pro-faceoff/score duel. This makes the league more like a real tournament, it could even be possible to keep the run private and not even announce the song beforehand. This could even be done with full RB bands, as long as one person in each band is able to set up a stream. Definitely an interesting idea, requires some thought about how to run properly though. The whole "scheduling" issue inherently gives some people more practice time.
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[Deimos]

I'm going to start this post off with two ideas of my own that I really want to run this season. Hopefully it'll give you an idea of what sort of things could potentially run, and how much detail you need to give with your ideas. I will start a list of other suggestions below these.

Deimos' Ideas

One-Man Band League [RB]
Instead of the typical four songs per week, this league has only one song a week. However, you must submit a score for that song on all four instruments individually. You can submit an instrument score from any difficulty you wish (so if you play Expert guitar/bass, but Medium vocals/drums, that's ok), and the week's rankings will be determined by total score between all instruments.

All-GH-Games League [GH1,GH2,GH80s,GH3]
Four songs per week, one from each Guitar Hero game. The 360-exclusive GH2 songs will be excluded, but obviously this league will require a PS2 to participate in anyway. Scoring is the same as normal, individual rankings by song. Different difficulties could be offered, Expert and Hard will be most likely to run, as usual.

Your Ideas

GH Leagues

Regular Expert/Hard/Medium Leagues [GH1/GH2/GH80s/GH3]
Just the "standard" league style. 4 songs a week, rankings on score. Would be split into the typical AAA/AA/A type divisions with enough signups. We'd have to see where there's enough interest, to decide which specific games to run. YES, GH2!

DLC-Included League[GH2-360/GH3]
I don't think either of these games have enough DLC to make all song selections DLC, but perhaps 1 or 2 songs a week out of the 4 could come from the DLC list. People participating in this league would either already have to own all DLC, or be willing to buy anything that comes up.

Guitar Hero Co-op Leagues [GH2/GH80s/GH3]
Co-op league, could potentially work for any of the games. However, GH3 may be most likely to succeed due to online play being available. The issue there is that GH3 online co-op has a large number of bugs that negatively impact score, so people playing locally would have a huge advantage.

Standard Controller League [any GH game]
For the Dual-Shockers and such. Not really sure if this one would run, we don't have that many people that play on regular controllers, that I know of. Guess it wouldn't hurt to try though, which game(s) would be best for this? GH2?

RB Leagues

Individual Instrument/Difficulty Leagues [RB]
Same standard format as Season 8 used. 4 songs per week, no DLC songs will be selected.

Full-Band League [RB]
Exactly what it sounds like. However I think that for this league we will probably reduce the number of songs per week. Trying to get four people together during a week to work on songs, even online, is a challenge. I think maybe 2-3 songs a week is better than 4, that may be too many. Opinions?

PS2 "Band" League [RB]
Since the PS2 version doesn't have online play, this would be about as close as we could get. Team up with 3 other people, one on each instrument, and you each submit your scores for the week individually. The scores are then added together, and rankings happen by which bands have the highest combination scores. Could probably even do 4 songs a week in this league, since it's not dependent on everyone being able to play at the same time.

Vocals+Guitar/Bass/Drums Leagues [RB]
Separate solo leagues (i.e. vocals+drums is a different league than vocals+guitar), playing both vocals and one instrument at the same time. 4 songs per week should still be fine, and any difficulty combination could be used.

Two-player Rock Band Leagues [RB]
To be entered with a partner. There are 6 potential instrument combinations, I'm not sure how many would actually run though. I suppose we could open signups for all combinations and seeing where there is enough interest.

All-DLC Leagues [RB]
I think the best setups for these would be the 4 instruments individually, and a full-band league (maybe even one-man band). All songs will be DLC, so either you need to already own all the DLC or be willing to buy any songs that are selected. 4 songs per week same as standard leagues of their type.

Either/Both Games Leagues

Twists League [any game]
Everybody (except elx) loves twists, I guess. This could potentially work with any game, however perhaps 4 songs a week is too many, that's a lot of twists. Potentially could do something like 2 normal songs + 2 twist songs, or just have 2 songs a week. I'm especially interested in the twists potential for the non-guitar instruments in Rock Band. Vocal twists and drum twists could both be entertaining.

Xbox 360 "All Games" League [GH2-360,GH3]
For those folks that don't have the PS2 games. This would be able to use the 10 xbox360 exclusive songs from GH2. It will most likely be done with two GH2 songs per week and two GH3.

"Live" League [any game]
This is an interesting idea. The commissioner would schedule a time with each person for their one run at the song. Whatever score they get is their week's score. This could be either done through a stream, or even by connecting online with the person in pro-faceoff/score duel. This makes the league more like a real tournament, it could even be possible to keep the run private and not even announce the song beforehand. This could even be done with full RB bands, as long as one person in each band is able to set up a stream. Definitely an interesting idea, requires some thought about how to run properly though. The whole "scheduling" issue inherently gives some people more practice time.
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[DreadedSoul]

For Rock Band a multi instrument league.
Woo first post!
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[DreadedSoul]

For Rock Band a multi instrument league.
Woo first post!
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[Akaleth]

I was going to suggest the one-man band league, but you beat me to it. I'd also say full-band leagues, but I know Rabies covered that in the latest episode of the podcast.

One league I was thinking about was a voxtar league, for guitar and vocals, which worked same way as the one-man band league (take both, pick any difficulty for both.)

Another would be Rock Band co-op; maybe not for every combination, but at least guitar/bass; it seems to be the most popular duo. You could get into every 2-piece and 3-piece combo there is, but you'd have very few participants and one hell of a cluttered results list.

Everything else you basically covered, if I was going to suggest it.
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[Akaleth]

I was going to suggest the one-man band league, but you beat me to it. I'd also say full-band leagues, but I know Rabies covered that in the latest episode of the podcast.

One league I was thinking about was a voxtar league, for guitar and vocals, which worked same way as the one-man band league (take both, pick any difficulty for both.)

Another would be Rock Band co-op; maybe not for every combination, but at least guitar/bass; it seems to be the most popular duo. You could get into every 2-piece and 3-piece combo there is, but you'd have very few participants and one hell of a cluttered results list.

Everything else you basically covered, if I was going to suggest it.
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[habbyboy12y]

i'd suggest a guitar hero co op league. It would be fun to be competitive with a partner.

[habbyboy12y]

i'd suggest a guitar hero co op league. It would be fun to be competitive with a partner.

[Rikuthemaster]

Well, for GH3, I was thinking more twists. With twists like "Play Lefty" "No Star Power, Note Streak less than 100, Volume settings down besides Sound Effects, Tap all HO/POs, etc.
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[Rikuthemaster]

Well, for GH3, I was thinking more twists. With twists like "Play Lefty" "No Star Power, Note Streak less than 100, Volume settings down besides Sound Effects, Tap all HO/POs, etc.
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[mnetlucas]

Is there any way that we can have a GH Custom league? I know that it would be hard choosing songs, but maybe only custom hero songs, or just good charts.

[mnetlucas]

Is there any way that we can have a GH Custom league? I know that it would be hard choosing songs, but maybe only custom hero songs, or just good charts.

[Rikuthemaster]

[Rikuthemaster]

[thecaptainof]

I suggested this last season when C got cancelled so I'll go ahead and suggest it again...

I think it'd be interesting to see a medium squeeze league, sort of along similar lines as OB, but with some restriction on entry to keep out people who are far too qualified (I'm thinking, if you can FC all of medium, most of hard and more than 10 or so on expert, you're probably way too qualified). That way it could at least run and give the legitimate 'medium-level' a chance at league entry, albeit that the even the best of them might end up short of the playoff spots.

EDIT: Also, do let me know if you want any help along the way. I've got plenty of time on my hands now I'm not going back to uni until at least May.
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[thecaptainof]

I suggested this last season when C got cancelled so I'll go ahead and suggest it again...

I think it'd be interesting to see a medium squeeze league, sort of along similar lines as OB, but with some restriction on entry to keep out people who are far too qualified (I'm thinking, if you can FC all of medium, most of hard and more than 10 or so on expert, you're probably way too qualified). That way it could at least run and give the legitimate 'medium-level' a chance at league entry, albeit that the even the best of them might end up short of the playoff spots.

EDIT: Also, do let me know if you want any help along the way. I've got plenty of time on my hands now I'm not going back to uni until at least May.
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Wow Mr. Mad, who fucked your buffalo?

[psxfreak101]

As much hatred as there is for them, I'd like to see twists make a comeback. Obviously it'd have to be separate to the regular leagues as there IS a lot of hatred for them, but I think there's enough people that actually do enjoy them to make a league out of. I dunno whether it should be a PURE twists league, or just x/4 songs with twists every week or something, but I would love to see twists just make a return, and I think there may be enough people with interest in 'em.

And I like the idea of the 4 GH-game league. That sounds like it'd be awesomesauce in a bottle.

Also, 80s leagues pl0x.
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[psxfreak101]

As much hatred as there is for them, I'd like to see twists make a comeback. Obviously it'd have to be separate to the regular leagues as there IS a lot of hatred for them, but I think there's enough people that actually do enjoy them to make a league out of. I dunno whether it should be a PURE twists league, or just x/4 songs with twists every week or something, but I would love to see twists just make a return, and I think there may be enough people with interest in 'em.

And I like the idea of the 4 GH-game league. That sounds like it'd be awesomesauce in a bottle.

Also, 80s leagues pl0x.
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[Devine]

Sooo down for Guitar hero 2 and the GH 1/2/80s/3 combo!

[Devine]

Sooo down for Guitar hero 2 and the GH 1/2/80s/3 combo!

[SDoner8790]

For the GH2 leagues, will it be for PS2 and 360 users together or will there be a separate league for each?
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[SDoner8790]

For the GH2 leagues, will it be for PS2 and 360 users together or will there be a separate league for each?
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[sukergod]

Deimos an All-GH-Games League [GH1,GH2,GH80s,GH3] would kick so much ass. I dont know the amount of people who actually have all the games but it would be pretty great. A GH1 League wpuld also be fantastic as well, but just like in the past it never takes form, there were only a few of us actually in it, maybe more would want to play.

I would also have at the chance to say that with so many different leagues that I would offer up my services to doing any menial work to get anything started that i could. With all you guys doing such great job I want to help somehow.

All-GH-Games League [GH1,GH2,GH80s,GH3] FTW!!!!

Oh and twists would be sweet to, id hate to see Barfo lose another chance to inflict pain on us by have to attain a 67 note streak, getting exact last didgt's or playing ghetto style
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[sukergod]

Deimos an All-GH-Games League [GH1,GH2,GH80s,GH3] would kick so much ass. I dont know the amount of people who actually have all the games but it would be pretty great. A GH1 League wpuld also be fantastic as well, but just like in the past it never takes form, there were only a few of us actually in it, maybe more would want to play.

I would also have at the chance to say that with so many different leagues that I would offer up my services to doing any menial work to get anything started that i could. With all you guys doing such great job I want to help somehow.

All-GH-Games League [GH1,GH2,GH80s,GH3] FTW!!!!

Oh and twists would be sweet to, id hate to see Barfo lose another chance to inflict pain on us by have to attain a 67 note streak, getting exact last didgt's or playing ghetto style
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[mgoblue3296]

I really like co-op leagues...

We could also switch to the BCS system....
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[mgoblue3296]

I really like co-op leagues...

We could also switch to the BCS system....
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[Psyballa]

One of my ideas was to have an exclusive Guitar + Vocals lead, we could call it the Band Leader League or something. I don't like the All-GH Games league because it would require too much work IMO, and then that would require people to actually OWN all of the games. Save for most of the people on this site, I don't actually own a copy of Guitar Hero 2.

[Psyballa]

One of my ideas was to have an exclusive Guitar + Vocals lead, we could call it the Band Leader League or something. I don't like the All-GH Games league because it would require too much work IMO, and then that would require people to actually OWN all of the games. Save for most of the people on this site, I don't actually own a copy of Guitar Hero 2.