GHWT On-disc FreeForms Thread *almost* COMPLETED

**bh0ukk** · Joined: 10 Jun 2006 Posts: 20

Please if you want to talk/argue or whatever the word, about FFs, do it in another thread.
This thread is for figuring out FFs. (Paths are welcomed too)
Please contribute if you can.

Feel The Pain => no FF.
Overkill => C# D# F F# G# Bb (works only in hard and expert)
No Sleep Till Brooklin => D# E# F# G# A# B C#

Do It Again => G A Bb C D Eb F
Ramblin' Man => D# F G G# Bb C C#
Up Around The Bend => no FF.

About A Girl => Eb F Gb Ab Bb C Db
The One I Love => E F# G A B D D#
You're Gonna Say Yeah! => C D E F G A Bb

What I've Done => broken ?
Scream Aim Fire => F G# Bb C# D#
Mr. Crowley => broken ?
Crazy Train => C# D E F# G# A B

Freak On A Leash => no FF.
Prisoner Of Society => G A Bb C D E
Stillborn => no FF.
Trapped Under Ice => broken ?

Parabola => D E G A B (don't work in easy and beginner)
Schism => C D E F G A B and D Eb F G A Bb C for the last one (works only in hard and expert)
Vicarious => D E F G A Bb C

Some Might Say => D# F G G# A# C D
Beautiful Disaster => no FF.
Are You Gonna Go My Way => E F# G# A B C# D#
Dammit => kinda hard to explain and i'm not 100% sure... think13 ?
Eye Of The Tiger => D Eb F G Bb C

Hey Man, Nice Shot => no FF.
Hotel California => D E F# G A B C# (works only in expert)
The Joker => no FF.
Love Removal Machine => D E F# G A B C
Hot For Teacher => no FF.

Santeria => E F# G# A B C# D#
Obstacle 1 => no FF
Mountain Song => D E F# G A B C#
Today => Eb F G Bb
Rebel Yell => C# D E F# G A B

On The Road Again => E F# G# A B C# D#
Heartbreaker => C# D# F G G# Bb C
Band On The Run => C D E F# G A B
Stranglehold => D E G A C (works only in expert)
Love Me Two Times => E G A Bb B D

Rooftops => D E F# G A B C
Pretty Vacant => no FF.
Monsoon => D# C# B
Aggro => 1st FF: C# D E F# G# B, 2nd FF: C# D D# E F# (don't work in easy)

The Middle => D E F# G A B C#
Everlong => C# D E F# G A B
Assassin => D E F G A Bb C#
Misery Business => C D# F G Ab Bb
Go Your Own Way => C D E F G A Bb

Hollywood Nights => D E F# G# A B C#
Lazy Eye => D# E F# G# B
Love Spreads => E F G A Bb C D
Nuvole E Lenzuola => no FF.
Weapon Of Choice => D Eb F G Ab Bb C

La Bamba => C D E F G A B
Spiderwebs => no FF.
American Woman => D E F# G# A B
Sweet Home Alabama => D E F# G A B C (don't work in easy)
The Wind Cries Mary => D E F G A Bb C (don't work in easy)
Purple Haze => D# F F# Bb C#

Float On => F F# G# A# C#
Hail To The Freaks => no FF.
Vinternoll2 => broken ?
Soul Doubt => D# E F# G# A B C#
Too Much, Too Young, Too Fast => D E F# G# A B C#

Kick Out The Jams => D E G A B
The Kill => no FF.
Our Truth => D# E F# G A B C
Escuela De Calore => E F# G A B C# D
Demolition Man => 1st FF: D E F# G G# A B, 2nd FF: D D# E G A C (don't work in easy)
Livin On A Prayer => D E F# G A B C

One Way Or Another => E F# G# A B C#
Shiver => C# D# E G B
Antisocial => no FF.
Re-Education Through Labor => no FF.
B.Y.O.B. => C# D# E F# G# A
L'Via L'Viaquez => no FF.
Beat It => Bb G# F# F D# C#

One Armed Scissor => no FF.
Toy Boy => no FF.
Good God => F G# A# B C D Eb
Never Too Late => D F G A# C
Pull Me Under => 1st & 2nd FF: E F# G A B C D, 3rd FF: E G A B D (expert only)

**bclare** · Joined: 21 Jun 2008 Posts: 6048 Location: Boston

This seems like it would be a great resource if it can get filled in. Not great for me since I can't hit any particular note anyway, but still it's great info to have.

**think13** · Joined: 22 May 2008 Posts: 107 Location: Minnesota

Wow! This will be very helpful for me, thanks!

Here are some ones I've been having trouble with:
Are You Gonna Go My Way
Rooftops
The Middle
Pull Me Under

I would appreciate it if you could figure those out. In the meantime, I'll start improving my scores with what you have. Freeforms are my biggest weakness, so again, thanks a lot!
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**bclare** · Joined: 21 Jun 2008 Posts: 6048 Location: Boston

**Doremi** · Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Posts: 61 Location: Rome

First off, thanks for the FF "paths".
But how do you play that, using your voice or using some sort of instrument? For it looks pretty hard to me to use a voice with scales, am I wrong?

I personally use only my voice in FFs and try to find some patterns I repeat, might be a chorus line, or a certain part of the song, then I tweak it so that I change more notes possible and the multiplier goes up...I sometimes got 8 or even 9 multipliers doing that and even won quite a few tourneys on the GH site using this method.

What I do wonder is if finding a good pattern that "does it" may even give better results, just my 2 cents here.
Problem is that these patterns are sometimes totally crazy, to the point I have to record them in my cell phone to be able to remember them a second time.

You know (and sorry if I digress a bit, but I've been thinking about it and this gives me the opportunity to let it out), but the truth is this FF thing has totally ruined the game, it counts too much as to the final score and it makes everything become very relative...
I mean, if a vocalist that gets 99% of the song doesn't do an excellent FF, he'll lose when competing with a vocalist that gets 89 % but gets an excellent FF score.
This is what made vocals a failure in this game IMO, they are too unpredictable, not like the other instruments where you can even make paths.
While in RB you are able to do a song well if you sing it well...not spending hours trying to find the sounds that will give you a high FF

It just doesn't reflect skill, and IMO it should count as a difference of a few thousand points at most, that would be a good way to still let the most skilled vocalist get the highest score.

I think that they should do something about it in the next editions and realize that they have made vocals the least attractive part of the game, solely for it's being so unpredictable and subjective.

**bclare** · Joined: 21 Jun 2008 Posts: 6048 Location: Boston

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**sfal** · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 109

I thought everyone but me just turned up the game vocals and put the mic next to the speaker, and played recordings of keyboard solos matched to the song during freeforms.

I don't like the songs were you end up with 1 point and an X9 multiplier!

But mostly just kinda singing the song and varying the voice seems to work well enough, not for me so far to compete. Not that I sing very well anyway.

But are vocal freeforms (or percussion) to maximize points on vocals to differentiate percentage scores from each other much different than pathing and squeezing? Or drums +freeform or guitar/bass +whammy?

It's just all game score-modifying features. This isn't a test of music playing skills, it's a game of mimicing music that requires a number of music or musically related skills. Rhythm, timing, pattern. We can't have hundreds of people tied for 1st with 100%, now can we.

**bclare** · Joined: 21 Jun 2008 Posts: 6048 Location: Boston

**Doremi** · Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Posts: 61 Location: Rome

**sfal** · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 109

I don't see a big difference between calculating note scores and tweaking the playing, and figuring out notes and singing them a certain way.

One would imagine using a keyboard is cheating, like buying a better mic or set of drums or using a sock on the screen.

I'm not sure where the rules state what the freeform section is for freeforming in. Voice, keyboard, tambourine, cowbell, maracas, bongo drums?

Hey, go buy a keyboard and voila, even playing field.

I know, I know, only the player and their voice (and controller and mic) are unmodified native parts of the game.

The scores are the point. If calculating notes, a good path, tick counts, whammying and squeezing can add 5K or 20K or more points to an FC, it's making these "non-musical" variables the deciding factor in score. Why not making the actual musical act of singing a certain way the deciding factor?

I mean, after all, everyone has the same opportunity to whammy, path, squeeze and the like. And everyone has the same opportunity to freeform, don't they? Or is it because it's not a matter of manipulating a scoring system but requires musical creativity and singing skill / the ability to find and implement tone and timing patterns with your voice.

Depending on song. I mean, it's not really like the song is only grading your singing anyway. It's judging how you can do what they want you to, and how good the mic is. Kinda like the rest of the instruments.

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**think13** · Joined: 22 May 2008 Posts: 107 Location: Minnesota

This thread gave me a first place score on Good God! Thanks so much! I would have never guessed that weird scale from just the music.

About Pull Me Under, I can get x8 on the first FF, but only x6 on the second... Perhaps they are different?

I would like to contribute to this, but I don't have perfect pitch and don't want to lug my piano down to the basement...
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**GrindingMystic** · Joined: 14 Dec 2008 Posts: 9

---RANT ALERT---

I'm sorry to anybody who likes the FF and thinks it's a good way to play but they are to easy to cheat on. Here is a fact:

a person once got 10,000x10 on a FF (100,000) he also had a 4x multiplyer (400,000) he also had star power (800,000) he also had a 4x band multiplier (3,200,000) there were 4 FF sections in the song (12,800,000).

I'm sorry but the score from FF in comparison to normal singing is ridiculously high (like 1:100) and I'm hoping in the game after Guitar Hero: Metallica, Activision either tone down the points or delete it ENTIRELY from the game. This system has totally ruined the leaderboards (I FC'd a song and got 5026th on the leaderboards)

Also you putting up the exact notes required is just helping these cheaters (not blaming you).

---RANT ALERT---
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