PS2/Wii vocals vs. 360/PS3 vocals: Differences?

**boss1592** · Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 7:59 am Post subject:

so... has stone cold crazy not been FCd on 360 then? soz that this has frig all to do with the topic lol

**MisguidedGirl** · Joined: 28 Dec 2008 Posts: 4

I might be able to try vox on the PS3 vs the Wii next weekend. I think we're going to have a party & if we do, my buddy will bring his PS3. Both of us have GHWT so I can try this out. If there's any particular songs or specific way this should be done, let me know.

**BOYOBOYY** · Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 154 Location: Telford, UK

I got the World Tour full game FC for the 360. The last song I had left to do was Stranglehold (my previous best was -1). My career score is over 18 million. Or it would be if my saved progress had not been corrupted and I had had to delete it and start over again

It's going to take a while to upload every single picture I took.

**Smeddy24** · Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 1778

I played 360 GHM this weekend. Now, it could've been the environment, since I played on a SD TV less than half the size of what I play on on Wii, with waaaay more background noise. But, I had a lot of trouble. Well, I didn't do as well as I do on Wii. I played Demon Cleaner, since I can nearly FC that, there's only phrase I have just a little bit hitting, and I did awfully. Mostly solids. It seemed like it required a higher percent of notes hit to maintain combo. It also seemed like the sensitivity was lower. I frequently found myself singing the correct pitch but not loudly enough to be picked up, and on Wii I've never sung terribly loudly. I played alot of songs, but I'm not as consistent on those, so any fuckups could be my own inability.

So, I think 360 requires more volume and more accuracy than Wii, though my environment could've messed me up. The fact that the TV was so crappy would explain not hitting pitches, if I couldn't tell that I was off a little. Background noise could've been interfering, too.

Regarding the PS3, hailz, lag? Would you have noticed?A slight lag on SCC would be pretty catastrophic, score wise.
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**think13** · Joined: 22 May 2008 Posts: 107 Location: Minnesota

I set up and ran an experiment to test this today, but I will need someone else's help to repeat my experiment on other platforms.

I started by picking a test song. I wanted a song which began with a long, constant note which would be easy to test. I chose Stillborn. Then I found a tone generator (siggen, a signal generator for linux) which can generate accurate tones at varying frequencies.

This was my test setup:
Nintendo Wii
Official Guitar Hero Microphone
Sound Card: Intel 82801BA-ICH2

This was my testing procedure:
1. Pick the tone to test
2. Set up siggen to produce a sine wave tone in that frequency
3. Start Stillborn
4. Hold the microphone to my computer speakers
5. Record whether the tone was accepted by the game for the very first vocal note.

Here are the results:
The acceptable frequency range for the first note of Stillborn on the Wii is 387-446Hz.

If someone else with a PS2, PS3 or 360 could use this same procedure with their system, we can get a very accurate assessment of engine leniency.

I installed siggen on linux from the repositories using

**BOYOBOYY** · Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 154 Location: Telford, UK

Xbox 360
Logitech Vantage Microphone
Conexant High Definition SmartAudio 221 (Hope I have the right thing here, if I haven't then let me know)
NCH Tone Generator

Accepted range for the first note of Stillborn for me is 398-433hZ

Already Xbox 360 appears to be very strict compared to the Wii.

Edit: It's probably important to note that the first note is G# which has a frequency of 415.30hz (G#4/Ab4)
So for the Xbox 360 (well,just for me so far)you can be off by approximately 17.5Hz either way (17.7 + 17.3 / 2).
For the Wii you can be off by approximately 29.5Hz either way (28.3+30.7 /2).

**GuitarHailz** · Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 4910 Location: Austin, Texas

Thanks for the above info guys, it's good to have something more solid to go off of.

Today I rented the PS2 version of GHM, and saying its "easier" would be a ridiculous statement.

Yes, the game mechanic itself is more forgiving. I was getting excellents where I shouldn't have been (had I been playing on 360).

HOWEVER, making the comet go through the goddamn tubes is the stupid part. dramacomic gave me some tips which helped, but didn't skyrocket me to a Stone Cold Crazy FC like I thought it would. The comet basically jumps around like crazy constantly, even when I'm holding a steady pitch.

As you can imagine, this is absolutely infuriating! I tried playing SCC and I could only barely 5* it (the freeforms are extremely broken, no doubt there). I got Excellent on some of the REALLY stupid phrases at the end, but I got a Rough on every single "Stone cold crazy you know."

Frustrated, I took it into practice and discovered that... it was charted differently???? That's right! I have to sing DIFFERENT PITCHES than on 360 to hit any part of "Stone cold crazy, you know" on the PS2! I know I'm not some great IRL singer, but I'm pretty sure I've got this song down on 360, well enough to know if I'm singing it right or not. The fact that I have to sing something different to hit it depending on the system I'm playing is SO bizarre (by the way, I still haven't excellent'd that phrase)!

I'm hoping this discovery will shed some light on some of this... seeing as how I'm one of very few people who would notice that the pitches on "stone cold crazy you know" varied from system to system. What if some of this difference in difficulty is actually coming from the fact that some of the ACTUAL PITCHES are charted differently? Or maybe I'm just insane.

What I really need is for someone who can destroy the PS2 version to make a video of a SCC FC. I need to listen to how in god's name you do it, because I can't hit the same phrases singing it the way I do on 360 (and as you can see from my video, I know how to hit most of the phrases on 360...)

Is the comet so frantic and jumpy on the Wii version too? That information would be useful as well.

I'm done for the night... this is too annoying!
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**think13** · Joined: 22 May 2008 Posts: 107 Location: Minnesota

**BOYOBOYY** · Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 154 Location: Telford, UK

I used my laptop speakers which are Harmon/Kardon. I would say my speakers are very good quality, especially for laptop speakers. I was able to produce a clear tone at all frequencies.

I did use sine wave; most others did not seem to register in the game when I tried them out.

**think13** · Joined: 22 May 2008 Posts: 107 Location: Minnesota

I repeated the experiment with the Logitech microphone, and the results were exactly the same.

With the Logitech microphone, the accepted range for the first note of Stillborn on Wii is also 387-446Hz.

I also redid the experiment with multiple waveforms on both microphones, and the results were very similar.

I also eliminated another source of possible error by putting the TV on mute. This makes sure no audio from the game itself interferes with the results.
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**NavyCherub** · Joined: 28 May 2008 Posts: 3396

Since Stone Cold Crazy was recently FC'd by another PS2 user, and I'm going to buy GH:SH soon, I'd like to bring this topic up again. Does SH have the same difficulty differences? Are there actual charting differences like what Hailz seemed to experience with Stone Cold Crazy on the PS2?
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**ace5993** · Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 1920

Meh, never mind.