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Shaffx95
Joined: 16 Aug 2010 Posts: 795
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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IMO, BW is harder than CW
Because in BW there are a lot of solos with random strumming, tough tapping/sliding solos, so every part of this song is a "choke point"
In CW the only very hard part is solo 1. If you can strum at 18nps consistently, it will be only a matter of time until you hit solo 1, and after this solo there are no "choking points". _________________
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smokyprogg
Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 2418
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Shaffx95 wrote: | In CW the only very hard part is solo 1. If you can strum at 18nps consistently, it will be only a matter of time until you hit solo 1, and after this solo there are no "choking points". |
Wait what.
1. Why would strumming be necessary?
2. Are solo 2, and the super awkward strumming through the latter half of the song not choke points? o_O _________________
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Shaffx95
Joined: 16 Aug 2010 Posts: 795
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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smokyprogg wrote: | 1. Why would strumming be necessary? |
I was talking about the verses, not the solo o_o _________________
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Perre
Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Posts: 459
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately your post still makes no sense at all since the strumming in the verses aren't even close to 18 nps, there's a gazillion choke spots after Solo 1 and I'm not even gonna mention how stupid the phrase "only a matter of time" is in this context. |
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smokyprogg
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Perre wrote: | Unfortunately your post still makes no sense at all since the strumming in the verses aren't even close to 18 nps, there's a gazillion choke spots after Solo 1 and I'm not even gonna mention how stupid the phrase "only a matter of time" is in this context. |
This. I FC'd up to the bridge on my sightread. That has zero to do with capability to hit the solo. _________________
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fudrick
Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 2372 Location: Orlando, Florida
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Shaffx95 wrote: | In CW the only very hard part is solo 1. If you can strum at 18nps consistently, it will be only a matter of time until you hit solo 1, and after this solo there are no "choking points". |
Solo 2 is harder than Solo 1 to FC consistently. _________________
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strikebowler585
Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 1752 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Here's how I'm now thinking of it. I will rate each section out of 10 (10 = "hardest", 1 = "easiest" (with that meaning easy compared to other sections)). Here it is:
Fury of the Storm:
Beginning solo: 6
First trills: 7
Tapping: 6
Fury of the Solo (besides I): 8
Fury of the Solo I: 10
The Rest: 3
Chemical Warfare:
Solo 1: 10
Solo 2a-2c: 7
Solo 2d: 8
Rest of song: 5
Black Widow:
Every section with random strums: 8
Super Serial Solo B: 9
Spider Crawl: 8
Rest of Song: 1
Fury of the Storm has a solo in the 2nd half of the song, Chemical Warfare has about a minute's worth of soloing, and Black Widow is almost 1 big solo.
Chemical Warfare has the hardest riffs to FC overall but Solo 1 is only a few seconds long and solo 2 is learnable, but chokeable. Fury of the Storm is generally a medium hard difficulty when talking about the hardest songs with the exception of the trill at the end, and maybe 1 or 2 other sections. Black Widow has the easiest sections in between but it is by far the hardest song to hit the solo in its entirety.
So here's where I stand. Black Widow is hardest, then I guess Fury of the Storm, then I guess Chemical Warfare.
Here's an example of something you can't put in order from hardest to easiest. Take a 20 note 28 nps custom, and a 1000 note 14 nps custom. Some people will think the 20 note one is harder than the 1000 note one, and vice versa.
EDIT: Fine, I guess I will edit this a couple times to satisfy everyone, then we can really see what song is the hardest. I still really think BWOLP is the hardest. Idk about FOTS and CW, It's just so hard to conclude. _________________
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fudrick
Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 2372 Location: Orlando, Florida
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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strikebowler585 wrote: | Fury of the Solo (besides I): 8
Super Serial Solo B: 9 |
LOLWUT _________________
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strikebowler585
Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 1752 Location: Rochester, NY
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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fudrick wrote: | strikebowler585 wrote: | Fury of the Solo (besides I): 8
Super Serial Solo B: 9 |
LOLWUT |
I edited out the piece that said "This wasn't based on duration of section, so don't blame me if something seems off." but I guess I have to keep that part in. Fury of the Solo A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H are all a bit easier than Super Serial Solo B. Ok, maybe G is a bit tricky but I only missed it less than 2% of the time. There are also many people that can't hit that Black Widow Section. I also said (besides I). I was also gonna say that this list should satisfy other peoples opinions but took that out, and I'll now include that part in here too. _________________
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massi4h
Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 536 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see what the fuss is about Fury of the Solo I tbh. It's nowhere near as hard as stuff like CW Solo 1 and Super Serial Solo B I guess. I can get it maybe 30% of the time just by spamming alt tapping with 2 fingers on my strumming hand. I can't even FC the intro to Speeding lol.
I also have a better chance of hitting the intro to TDWDTG than the strumming in Ties That Bind. That shit is nasty, need to dpad it and still I can only get around 90% in the 3 sections combined. |
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fudrick
Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 2372 Location: Orlando, Florida
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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strikebowler585 wrote: | Fury of the Solo A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H are all a bit easier than Super Serial Solo B. |
Ohhh, this clears it up. Though personally I'd argue that all of the FotS sections with 20 NPS parts are more difficult than SSSB, especially the short trills (don't remember the name of the section). _________________
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Pas26
Joined: 04 Oct 2008 Posts: 3664 Location: Québec, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:42 am Post subject: |
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massi4h wrote: | I don't see what the fuss is about Fury of the Solo I tbh. It's nowhere near as hard as stuff like CW Solo 1 and Super Serial Solo B I guess. I can get it maybe 30% of the time just by spamming alt tapping with 2 fingers on my strumming hand. I can't even FC the intro to Speeding lol.
I also have a better chance of hitting the intro to TDWDTG than the strumming in Ties That Bind. That shit is nasty, need to dpad it and still I can only get around 90% in the 3 sections combined. |
That trill is NASTY to get consistent on, it's about as hard as CW solo 1, but it's MUCH farther into an harder song. I hardly ever miss Super serial. _________________
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smokyprogg
Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 2418
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:52 am Post subject: |
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strikebowler585 wrote: |
Fury of the Storm:
Fury of the Solo (besides I): 8
Black Widow:
Every section with random strums: 8
Spider Crawl: 8
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I think we can confirm that the top 3 in this game are completely dependent on the player's skill set. I am fucking horrible at Fury of the Solo. I just can't FC it all in one run for some reason. I hit those Black Widow sections every single time. When I missed 4 on BW, none were in either of those sections.
I think the only way to really do this right is putting 91/92/93: BW/CW/FotS (As in don't actually assign them the numbers; just say those are the top 3 and if you are at that level difficulty is subjective) _________________
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UndeadFil13QC
Joined: 12 Nov 2007 Posts: 3386 Location: Montreal, QC, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:45 am Post subject: |
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smokyprogg wrote: | I think we can confirm that the top 3 in this game are completely dependent on the player's skill set. I am fucking horrible at Fury of the Solo. I just can't FC it all in one run for some reason. I hit those Black Widow sections every single time. When I missed 4 on BW, none were in either of those sections.
I think the only way to really do this right is putting 91/92/93: BW/CW/FotS (As in don't actually assign them the numbers; just say those are the top 3 and if you are at that level difficulty is subjective) |
I have a -4 on BWoLP, stupid random misses that happen all the time.
I have a -3 on Chem War, stupid misses again, including a note in solo 1.
In FotS I always choke in dumb parts of the last huge solo, most of the time in C and G, and even more stupid misses sometimes.
Basically, all three songs are incredibly chokable, no matter how hard the hardest part of the song is. It is indeed very difficult to say which song is the hardest of all three. _________________
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ace5993
Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 1920
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Honestly I would say BWOLP HAS to be 91 simply because there is no section comparable to Fury of the Solo I or Chemical Warfare solo 1. Perhaps if you can already hit every section BWOLP is a bit easier to choke but most people would be able to FC BWOLP waaaay before being able to even hit the hard parts of the other two without a huge stroke of luck. If this is based logically around a complete beginner going to fc the whole game as he progresses he would first FC BWOLP, then CW (not as missable/frustrating as FotS, only one really difficult part and it's early in the song), then FotS last (hard part 6 minutes in, and it's very hard to even FC up to it...).
That's my view of it at least. In terms of annoyingness/chokability to FC if you can already hit all the hard parts, which is what strike is talking about, it does go BW > FotS > CW. But that's not the point of this list. |
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