Do you think you are a good Guitar Hero player?

[toymachine]

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[ManOfMrE]

Play nicely
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Play nicely
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[this1neguy]

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[HellAshes]

^I lol'd. But the main thing I see why tournament play is harder is you only get one shot to play the song you best you can. Not to mention there is pressure if it's like a finals song in WCG or something. FCing a song in your bedroom is a lot easier than going up against someone really good, in person, and having one shot to beat their score by having a better SP path and playing the song better.
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ShadoWolf wrote:

Fuck you HellAsses you fucking fucker

mazegeek999PSN from my accomplishments thread wrote:

koloxid wrote: holy fuk do you ever stop Well, he hasn't posted in a month.

[HellAshes]

^I lol'd. But the main thing I see why tournament play is harder is you only get one shot to play the song you best you can. Not to mention there is pressure if it's like a finals song in WCG or something. FCing a song in your bedroom is a lot easier than going up against someone really good, in person, and having one shot to beat their score by having a better SP path and playing the song better.
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ShadoWolf wrote:

Fuck you HellAsses you fucking fucker

mazegeek999PSN from my accomplishments thread wrote:

koloxid wrote: holy fuk do you ever stop Well, he hasn't posted in a month.

[this1neguy]

I would say that FCing at home versus competition is just different in the case of different songs. FCing the same song at home versus in an event is a LOT more difficult, of course, as HellAshes explained. Yes, if you're a Phenom or a BucketBlue or what have you the songs you're playing and trying to FC or just do well on are likely to be a lot harder than the songs in competitions (there's really no comparison that can be made between Demon(s) and Soulless as far as difficulty goes, for one example), but that's not entirely the argument that is being made here.
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[this1neguy]

I would say that FCing at home versus competition is just different in the case of different songs. FCing the same song at home versus in an event is a LOT more difficult, of course, as HellAshes explained. Yes, if you're a Phenom or a BucketBlue or what have you the songs you're playing and trying to FC or just do well on are likely to be a lot harder than the songs in competitions (there's really no comparison that can be made between Demon(s) and Soulless as far as difficulty goes, for one example), but that's not entirely the argument that is being made here.
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Silly wrote:

yksi-kaksi-kolme wrote: I hope the April Fool's joke is expertwin becoming a mod Reports coming in that over five hundred thousand players of the Guitar Hero and Rock Band games have simultaneously committed seppuku

[ace5993]

In my opinion guitar hero skill should be measured by the best songs you have FCd, not by the best songs you can get good scores on consistently. I can FC every song in the guitar hero series almost every time with the exception of about 10 songs, and a handful more from GHWT (blasted sliders). Now sure I'm not the best at squeezing but if squeezing really is that big of a consideration into skill level, I ask you this. Why do they only pick from the top 10 or so hardest songs in the game for tournament gameplay? They're looking for songs that show who can hit the most notes, not who can squeeze better. On the leaderboards, you can be the best squeezer of all time, be first place on 3/4 of the setlist, but you can't FC the remaining 1/4. You wouldn't make the top 50.

Using this same logic, if they continued to make harder songs in the games, up to the level that people are FC'ing customs now-a-days, the competitions would continue to be drawn more and more toward the hitting notes aspect and less away from the squeezing aspect. Squeezing is only relevant in tournament gameplay because the song pool is too easy. They don't have hard enough songs to truly measure skill in the main series (with the exception of about 10, but if you're picking from a pool of 15 songs from ONE game, you aren't going to have a hard enough song most of the time).

Danny is not the obvious best guitar hero player, because he has not FC'd the hardest songs. Gamingfreak3 has FC'd many songs harder than anything Danny's done. ggamerman is far closer to a Soulless 3 FC than Danny is, it's likely he will FC it by the end of the month. Danny is not the end all for hard FCs anymore. He is still right at the top level yes, but at least 2-3 other people are very, very close, or better than he is at FC'ing hard songs.

I think banobi winning that one tournament was a very telling sign. I highly doubt he was the best at squeezing in that draw. He knew the paths for the songs, and he had the ability to hit them. Many high-level non-tournament players could do the same thing.

In my opinion guitar hero is not a game built for competitive gameplay. That's just the way I see it. Some people may view consistency > achievement and that's a valid viewpoint. Personally I can FC TTFAF at least half the time I play it when I'm actually trying, so it's not like I'm devaluing consistency because I'm not good at it. Having competed in many national tennis tournaments I think I can safely say that the pressure probably wouldn't affect me personally very much in tournament gameplay. I don't think squeezing is any indication of skill using either viewpoint however you look at it, and using star power in the correct spots isn't really a skill, just something that needs to be memorized.

I'm not going to rate different people based on guitar hero ability because that's impossible to "calculate". However doing well in tournaments is hardly a true measure of skill in guitar hero when so many good players don't even compete. I'm happy for smoky that he makes 5 figures off tournament gameplay, he has obviously put his skill to a very clever use, but is he the best GH player because he makes the most money playing tournaments? He obviously doesn't "suck ass", but on the other hand I don't think anyone, smoky included, would say he is the best player.

TL;DR - FCs >>>>>>>> Tournament results when judging two players.

[ace5993]

In my opinion guitar hero skill should be measured by the best songs you have FCd, not by the best songs you can get good scores on consistently. I can FC every song in the guitar hero series almost every time with the exception of about 10 songs, and a handful more from GHWT (blasted sliders). Now sure I'm not the best at squeezing but if squeezing really is that big of a consideration into skill level, I ask you this. Why do they only pick from the top 10 or so hardest songs in the game for tournament gameplay? They're looking for songs that show who can hit the most notes, not who can squeeze better. On the leaderboards, you can be the best squeezer of all time, be first place on 3/4 of the setlist, but you can't FC the remaining 1/4. You wouldn't make the top 50.

Using this same logic, if they continued to make harder songs in the games, up to the level that people are FC'ing customs now-a-days, the competitions would continue to be drawn more and more toward the hitting notes aspect and less away from the squeezing aspect. Squeezing is only relevant in tournament gameplay because the song pool is too easy. They don't have hard enough songs to truly measure skill in the main series (with the exception of about 10, but if you're picking from a pool of 15 songs from ONE game, you aren't going to have a hard enough song most of the time).

Danny is not the obvious best guitar hero player, because he has not FC'd the hardest songs. Gamingfreak3 has FC'd many songs harder than anything Danny's done. ggamerman is far closer to a Soulless 3 FC than Danny is, it's likely he will FC it by the end of the month. Danny is not the end all for hard FCs anymore. He is still right at the top level yes, but at least 2-3 other people are very, very close, or better than he is at FC'ing hard songs.

I think banobi winning that one tournament was a very telling sign. I highly doubt he was the best at squeezing in that draw. He knew the paths for the songs, and he had the ability to hit them. Many high-level non-tournament players could do the same thing.

In my opinion guitar hero is not a game built for competitive gameplay. That's just the way I see it. Some people may view consistency > achievement and that's a valid viewpoint. Personally I can FC TTFAF at least half the time I play it when I'm actually trying, so it's not like I'm devaluing consistency because I'm not good at it. Having competed in many national tennis tournaments I think I can safely say that the pressure probably wouldn't affect me personally very much in tournament gameplay. I don't think squeezing is any indication of skill using either viewpoint however you look at it, and using star power in the correct spots isn't really a skill, just something that needs to be memorized.

I'm not going to rate different people based on guitar hero ability because that's impossible to "calculate". However doing well in tournaments is hardly a true measure of skill in guitar hero when so many good players don't even compete. I'm happy for smoky that he makes 5 figures off tournament gameplay, he has obviously put his skill to a very clever use, but is he the best GH player because he makes the most money playing tournaments? He obviously doesn't "suck ass", but on the other hand I don't think anyone, smoky included, would say he is the best player.

TL;DR - FCs >>>>>>>> Tournament results when judging two players.

[elScarecrow]

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[Kubuh]

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[ace5993]

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[elScarecrow]

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[f4phantom2500]

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[smokyprogg]

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[toymachine]

then maybe all these "amazing players" should get off their high horses and enter WCG/ESWC and give everyone a run for their money!
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[toymachine]

then maybe all these "amazing players" should get off their high horses and enter WCG/ESWC and give everyone a run for their money!
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[this1neguy]

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