Hit detection and bullet registry in Modern Warfare 2...

**powahouse** · Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1145 Location: Wyandotte, MI

All of us Call of Duty-ers know that Cod4 had some ridiculous issues with hit detection problems, namely when it would take a second or two longer than it should before your bullets start registering when you're shooting someone. The hit detection in World at War was a bit better, but that game wasn't for me. Now, Modern Warfare 2 hasn't disappointed me much, and when it does, it seems like the problems are fixed SOMEWHAT quickly and efficiently.

BUT...Whether it be my random connection problems, or actual problems with hit detection in the game, it seems sometimes when I'm playing, randomly, as in several times per match, but not every time, I'll be hitting someone DIRECTLY and my bullets won't register right away.

It seems to happen most often when I'm using the ACR, which sucks because that is easily my favorite assault rifle. It doesn't usually happen with the M16 or FAMAS, but happens a lot with the ACR and sometimes with other guns. Like the UMP, MP5k, etc.

Is hit detection a common problem amongst players in this game, if so...is it more with some guns than others, or am I just insane...OR could it be my connection or something? (which, by the way is almost always 3 or 4 bars)
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**FBMrider86** · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:31 am Post subject:

Unless you're the host, it won't be absolutely perfect. And it's not that your first bullet isn't registering, it's the fact that on your screen you've fired that first shot and have already fired the second and third while the enemy is JUST then getting hit by the first bullet. That's what makes those "use an entire (insert weapon type) magazine without missing" challenges so damned hard (except for the Sniping challenge), especially when the host blows. There are so many different factors that come into play (latency, packet loss, ping, locations, etc) that it could be a number of things.

Also, sniping hit detection in this game is atrocious. I was playing SnD earlier, watched my team snipe an enemy. On everyone's screen as we spectated, we saw him aim WAY behind the guy he killed, and the guy just fell down. Granted we didn't see what he saw, but damn, my whole team went "WTF?".
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**powahouse** · Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1145 Location: Wyandotte, MI

It's really weird. I don't seem to have too many problems sniping in it. And sometimes the hit detection seems absolutely perfect. But that could be that I'm hosting quite often or something. Also...it only pisses me off because the ACR is my favorite weapon and it seems to happen with the ACR way more than anything else.
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**Pas26** · Joined: 04 Oct 2008 Posts: 3664 Location: Québec, Canada

About half of the time, I get killed AFTER I took cover behind a corner. I watch the killcam, and they shot behind me, at about chest level but over my foot who was still visible. I am running all the time so my foot is far from my body... but I still get killed.

If you ask me the hitboxes are glitchy as hell.

I was sniping someone from across the map in Afghan, using the thermal scope. I shot the guy in the head, nothing. He killed me with his red dot AR. From across the map. Yeah.
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**Saru786** · Joined: 20 Dec 2008 Posts: 1650 Location: In a box...

I've seen most people have the game winning kill with a ak-47 and if you look closely you can see how the bullet doesn't even hit the person being killed and it still kills them. Like, for example, someone starts shooting at you first, and then you start shooting but your gun is going(or leaping/jumping) up and still giving that person damage, so weird.

I really feel the only time the hit detection doesn't happen is when the host has bad connections and then everyone just stops moving and it goes back to the lobby. Other than that, the only game I know that has problems with hit detection even if the host isn't lagging is WaW.

Also, isn't this supposed to be in: http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96008&start=0
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**WyldeDime5150** · Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Posts: 286

The only thing that pisses me off about the hit detection is that blatant headshots don't count. Example: Sniper sitting in a window on Wasteland, the only part you can see is his head, you shoot, get the kill, but no headshot?

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**powahouse** · Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1145 Location: Wyandotte, MI

It's not too frustrating when you realize that everybody has the same problem when playing, it just depends on who's hosting and stuff. As long as you're connection is decent enough, you'll get your go at having an advantage over everyone else when you host.
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**JCM08** · Joined: 01 May 2008 Posts: 328 Location: North England

I think the hit detection is far better than on Call of Duty 4. Of course, connection is rarely (if ever) perfect. Of course you could complaing of the (largely vernacular) "Magic Bullets"; through the AK47, M16, FAMAS, I've even experienced it with many SMGs.

Snipers are very accurate, more so with regular scope than thermal. Of course all the recoil and sight time(s) are factors in it's accuracy. Then there's the discrepancy with the M16 when equipped with holographic sight (For those unaware) is more accurate than with Red Dot.
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**Rawrspoon** · Joined: 04 Sep 2008 Posts: 1597

Lag Compensation, not hit detection. Playing CoD4 on PC has absolutely no problems with these so-called hit detection problems.

See, the problem is the host model that IW so loves.
You connect to the host.

Let's say you try to shoot a non-host enemy, you send instructions to the host to shoot for you. The average ping time on a host-based model is around 100 ms, so let's assume it takes 100 ms to create the bullets for you. Thing is, this can force sniping to be impossible and aiming against a person who is lagging heavily can be impossible. So the game compensates for lag by checking if the shots hit according to the server and only the server. Even though it says on your screen that you did shoot the enemy, the server might have registered that you grazed him and didn't actually hit him.

**NimbleTerror** · Joined: 29 Apr 2008 Posts: 293

It is absolutely absurd how big of an effect your connection to the host has on your ability to play this game. Last few days I've been playing lots of Hardcore Search and Destroy with my friend. Many times every game, I'll be the last person alive and my friend will be watching my screen. I'll come across the other team, shoot half my clip, on my screen getting 2 or 3 hit markers and eventually the other guy will kill me. However, on my friend's screen I never even shot a single bullet. It really makes no sense at all.

Edit: Just now, I was camping in a corner staring at the bomb waiting for their last guy to come try and grab it. I see a guy come around the corner and die instantly. On the final kill cam, he was standing in front of me for 3 seconds but on my screen I barely even saw him before I died. I just don't get it.

**retop56** · Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:34 pm Post subject:

This game reminds of wanted, in the sense that bullets seem to curve around a wall. I know people will say that it's my connection, but it's happened when I'm on a 3 or 4 bar A LOT. Full explanation Also here are some other vids explaining hitboxes: 1, and 2
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**reikonkeiri** · Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:51 pm Post subject:

I used to play Killzone 2 and MW2 is so much better as far as that goes that I can hardly notice the lag unless people are 1 bar (in which case it gets really REALLY bad). In Killzone 2, you could shoot someone with a shotgun get killed by an AR, and then watch them die right after you without you firing another shot. Horrible.
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**powahouse** · Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1145 Location: Wyandotte, MI