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**DemonHybrid** · Joined: 19 Aug 2006 Posts: 2871 Location: Matamoras, PA

In The Groove. Probably ultimately better than DDR, you guys should check out some videos and stuff. Just letting you guys know.

**Metalmuppet** · Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:21 am Post subject:

Yeah, and it has Mines to avoid, hand moves, and 50 mods that you can go crazy with. If you use Hide Targets, Hide Judgement, and Invisible, you will simulate real-life ITG.
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**Matt** · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 3780 Location: Bethel, Vermont

eh, I never liked ITG that much; it seemed more aimed at being hard then fun. But then again, I've never tried ITG2, either.

**ghstan** · Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 11

I think ITG is silly, it's just a modified stepmania build anyway, DDR is no longer fun in reverse, 50 mines, hand plants, backflips, it sucks.

**Emptyeye** · Joined: 30 Dec 2006 Posts: 828

I like the game, but I don't like the general attitude of top-level players. Errors with pads occur and all, I understand that, but their attitude seems to be "Simply ignore ALL mines, dropped holds, and any steps of a grade lower than Excellent, regardless of whether the cause was you or the pad." That, and a lot of them just come off like jerks too.
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**Tsuteto** · Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 100

Depends. I mean, here, we have quite a few top people, but only one of them I find with an attitude problem. Could just be me, though, but oh well.

And ITG was being more aimed at for hard than fun, IMO. It really pushed the players' limits to the line and beyond, making them work harder for something that most of us fell in love with.
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**Matt** · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 3780 Location: Bethel, Vermont

I've warned you before about being a dick on these forums. Take your elitist crap back to ddrfreak. You are hereby banned.

**pksage** · Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 890 Location: Midwest, USA

The best ITG players are elitist assholes just like the best DDR players, because...they're the same people. All the good players migrated from DDR to ITG when ITG2 came out.

I personally prefer DDR, because the steps tend to complement the music rather than follow it exactly. (Well, not counting Supernova, which is largely crap.) ITG, however, has MANY excellent charts - Destiny hard, for example, uses the ITG-exclusive elements very well. And for all the people complaining about hands and mines, either just play one of the dozens of charts that doesn't use either or just turn them off. Or, y'know, learn to play with them. :P

ITG also has the benefit of playing custom songs - R21 lets you play Stepmania files straight from your USB memory key. So there's that.

**Matt** · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 3780 Location: Bethel, Vermont

In all fairness, Pickles is a really nice guy, and last I knew, one of the top DDR players.

**DemonHybrid** · Joined: 19 Aug 2006 Posts: 2871 Location: Matamoras, PA

Wow. I'm just a drama magnet.

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**Emptyeye** · Joined: 30 Dec 2006 Posts: 828

**Matt** · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 3780 Location: Bethel, Vermont

It seems to be a phenomenon with dancing games... It seems like awesome IIDX players, popn players, and guitar hero players are far less often elitist assholes. Maybe it was because DDR saw such a huge influx of very low level players when it hit america, that it almost created a caste system.... I don't think there is the same problem in Japan.

**daevlol** · Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject:

Back on topic, I really like some of the step-charts in ITG1.

Hybrid Expert, Rome0 and Juli8 expert, they just seem to flow so well and are so well made that I enjoy them immensely.

Plus there's nothing better then the 6 arrows at once on Bend your Mind doubles expert.

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