League Discussion/Recruitment/Information

**Javman158** · Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 640 Location: Fairfax, VA

Now that the inaugural season is over with, I would like to know what you all thought about the leagues. If you have any ideas on how the leagues could be improved, please speak your mind. Feedback about everything and anything is appreciated. You can give feedback on participant maxs/mins, time frames for scores, the songs and twists, how I did in running the leagues (and Barfo for keeping records for AA), or anything else that comes to mind.

If the next season has as many people or more than this inaugural season did, I will definitely require assistance, as once school starts I will no longer be able to devote the several hours per week to this. If you would like to help out, please tell me what it is you would like to help with. If you really have no preference, that is fine as well.

Current Master List - Twists

**wupun** · Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Posts: 806

I'm waitin for the next league cos I registered to the site right in the middle of the last one. From what i saw it looked cool and a lot of the songs were close. So how long do u think it will be til the next one gets started, any idea?

**Dragondarch** · Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Posts: 218 Location: Auburn, ME

Only problem I had (mostly toward the end, and would be from now on) is that I just don't have quite enough time in 7 days to get "good" scores on 5 songs. If each "week" was in actuality 2 (or even 3 maybe?) weeks I'd have no issue since I wouldn't be rushed to get everything done. Between work and a social life, only having 1 week just isn't quite enough.

Also, in response to a GH1 league...why not combine it into one league? Take songs from both games and toss 'em in. There's 111 songs so it at least would keep the songs fresh.
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**Sottle** · Joined: 14 May 2006 Posts: 3050

I have to agree with the inability to get 5 good scores in a week. Especially with having to work out a strategy for a twist like 0/X SP. Although that could be partly down to the last two weeks falling over the Xmas holidays...

Overall, i have to say a pretty big success

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**mninp** · Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Posts: 1303

I started a GH1 League. Look for it in rivalries. I only have 2 other people besides myself, so i really need other people to join. It's only on round 2 now, so you can still join. You could also just PM me your scores for the 1st round and i'll add them in.

**Telal** · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 70

I got into the game(s) mid december, found this site even later.

i'm waiting for a B league to start up.

I didn't vote because there wasn't an option for someone who loves the idea, but didn't participate in one.

**youhas** · Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 3015 Location: Santa Clara, CA

I had a lot of fun participating in the league. Didn't always do as well as I might have hoped for, but had a blast all the same, and improved a number of Expert scores I'd thought I'd utterly plateaued on. I know I'd certainly be up for another league go-around.

I will admit, it's sometimes difficult to get supreme scores on five different songs in only seven days, but I think that's an endearing part of the challenge. Focusing on one or two songs for all-or-nothing shots at glory, or spreading your attention amongst all the entries in hopes of getting solid scores across the board - strategic time management comes into play, which I enjoy.

(Really, the biggest downside is that the amount of time any given player has available for playing during a given week can be all over the map. I had gaming time to burn during Week 2, so I placed very well there; Week 3, I was much more busy with other things, and my scores suffered accordingly. But that's apt to happen no matter what sort of setup you design and however long you give folks to get their scores in.)

The only amendment I really would've liked was having the "vote for the twist" morphed into "suggest songs and twists, which League Commissioner Javman158 will take under advisement when selecting something suitably awesome". You know, to prevent something that really struck your fancy as Very Cool from being trumped by something too difficult or too gimmicky that just happened to have a following. But that might just be me.

(I also thought briefly about how awesome it would be to have a League full of head-to-head matchups, where everyone played everyone else round robin style and you used the end-of-season records to determine playoff seeding. Then I remembered that dude, we have problems enough getting people to submit their scores every week, and you could have really weird results where someone coasted to a high seeding because their competitors kept randomly flaking. So never mind.

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On balance, though: awesome job, yo, and I look forward to another league iteration in the near future.
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**sluggo** · Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 850

I liked the league idea and appreciate all the time put into it. In the future, you'd probably want someone to help manage each league instead of one person trying to do it all.

I was a little bummed that people started dropping out of the AAA league en masse after the first week. My first week's scores were based on very little playtime, and I missed the entire second week due to the holidays, but I still kept at it. I wish more people had stuck it out.

I'd agree that 5 songs is a lot for a week. I think I'd rather see maybe 3 songs per week over 4 weeks, then a 2-week playoff (final 4, then final 2). I would have loved to see a Wulfe/ES final.

As far as twists go, I think I'd like to see variants that are somehow provable: closest to a particular score, longest streak, lowest score, etc. I don't necessarily think photos should be required, but at least possible, which isn't the case for variants like no-HO's or no sound.

Last: I'd like to stay in the top division, but it would probably be a futile effort on my part unless Wulfe or ES suddenly develop acute Boneitis.

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**zawisza926** · Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 305 Location: Snalbans

**Kecos** · Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 488 Location: North America

**Barfo** · Joined: 10 Oct 2006 Posts: 2596

I have a couple of ideas for the polls. First off maybe we should keep a master list of possible twist types (left handed, mirror, no SP, missing fingers, <X ns, <X ns, y/X SP, no alt strum, performance mode, etc) and everybody votes on twist for that week separate from song (good idea youhas) and then the administrator for that league matches the twist up to a song that would be a good fit at their discretion from any of the 5 sogns for the week - so you could avoid some of the nastiest combos.

Secondly, for the 5th song poll maybe you could put it into the form of a real thread poll for each week, with the options either picked at random, or by nominations. So like use the computer to spit out 4-10 random eligible songs and stick them in a poll at the start of the week for everybody to vote on (for the next week). It would save a lot of administrative hassle and avoid the problem of the first song anybody suggests getting voted up. Can these forums do public polls (where you can see who voted for what so taht you could make sure only league participants were involved)?.

One good strategy for lowering the workload might be to do three songs a week, with alternating weeks having one song be either picked from a poll or with a twist chosen from a poll. (so first week 2 random songs and one poll picked one, second week be 3 random songs with twist picked from poll added to one).

Also, i had the same ideas as youhas about how cool doing head to head stuff would be, but i think if the current format shows us anything its that that would be even worse in terms of time commitment for people. My dream format for head-head (especially elimination playoffs) would be to do something like have a prearranged window of a short period of time, and the two contestents both read the song they have to play from an impartial judge and then have a short time (maybe 0.5-2 hours?) to post a score. That sounds like it would be hugely impractical tho, but i thought id toss it out there and maybe somebody can think of a way to adapt that into somethign that would work.

**Kingofterrors** · Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 1993 Location: Odenton, MD

I didn't know about it till it was to late.

I definitely would like to be in the next one.

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**Drock2525** · Joined: 18 Dec 2006 Posts: 36

when u do restart all the leagues please sign me up for Expert A

**suspectfenster** · Joined: 20 Oct 2006 Posts: 1771 Location: Portland, OR

I agree with those who have said 5 songs may be a little much. I'm sure there are enough people here who are willing to do it but frankily...a lot of the dropouts were due to lack of time. Having something like three songs would be FAR more managable. I myself neglected to do the last week because commiting myself to five songs just didn't seem appealing.

Another thank you to Javman for setting it all up...your organization in the setup of the league was amazing.
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