Obama vs. McCain

[anterth]

Now that its basically a 2-horse race, I was just curious to see which candidate everyone supports and why.
I like John McCain, because I personally feel he is stronger on national defense and supports tax cuts, whereas Obama supports raising taxes for his universal health care policy.

Also feel free to discuss any political issues...War in Iraq, universal health care, gas prices, global warming, etc.

*Please just make comments that either state an opinion or respectfully question someone elses. No flaming please.*
*Also, please do not stereotype or target any political party or affiliation, and if you do please do it in a respectful manner and state that it is simply your opinion.*

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[anterth]

Now that its basically a 2-horse race, I was just curious to see which candidate everyone supports and why.
I like John McCain, because I personally feel he is stronger on national defense and supports tax cuts, whereas Obama supports raising taxes for his universal health care policy.

Also feel free to discuss any political issues...War in Iraq, universal health care, gas prices, global warming, etc.

*Please just make comments that either state an opinion or respectfully question someone elses. No flaming please.*
*Also, please do not stereotype or target any political party or affiliation, and if you do please do it in a respectful manner and state that it is simply your opinion.*

also if you like one-on-one debates or discussions feel free to slip me a pm.
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thanks Karatechess!!

[reincarnate]

Obama definately. He'll get us out of this failed war, which will make up for whatever he decides to mess around with in the healthcare sector, plus he's anti-lobbyist, which is just what we need after George "Do whatever the Exxon Lobbyists tell me to" Bush.
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[reincarnate]

Obama definately. He'll get us out of this failed war, which will make up for whatever he decides to mess around with in the healthcare sector, plus he's anti-lobbyist, which is just what we need after George "Do whatever the Exxon Lobbyists tell me to" Bush.
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[anterth]

why do you think this is a failed war? not too long ago hope for the war seemed dim but since the recent troop surge significant progress has been made.

i feel that sometimes Obama's plan to remove the troops immediatley is too irresponsible, especially when things have been going so well recently.
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[anterth]

why do you think this is a failed war? not too long ago hope for the war seemed dim but since the recent troop surge significant progress has been made.

i feel that sometimes Obama's plan to remove the troops immediatley is too irresponsible, especially when things have been going so well recently.
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[SilverSwift]

I can already see this thread being rapidly derailed because of a war debate, but I'll chuck my thoughts in there as someone who doesn't live in the US (therefore, my opinion doesn't exactly count for much!).

I followed the Democratic nomination with interest all the way through, and I think that if Obama decides to take Clinton on as his running mate, he'll get a few more votes...as stereotyped and brash as it sounds, he will get more female votes if she's officially endorsing him and in the race with him. McCain's got the background advantage, and to me seems quite a personable type, but Obama is also an exceptional public speaker, really inspiring. Unfortunately, it does seem as though the whole thing will be decided by which of the big negatives is the largest. McCain has the problem of having inherited a somewhat poisoned chalice with Bush preceding him, and pledging support to the war may not have been a smart move, as it seems a lot of people seems to be against it. Obama, on the other hand, manifestos aside, is in the interesting position whereby he's the first black presidential candidate in the history of the US. Whilst I realise that this is a very sensitive issue and very unpredictable, I honestly think that's going to go against him in the long run, especially with certain states.

These two actually seem to agree on a fair few issues, moreso than previous candidates, which is interesting. It's a really, really tough one to call, but I'm going to call Obama in an extremely close contest. He has the natural ability, and most importantly of all, a campaign machine that really seems to know what it's doing.

(As always with political debate and such, this is all my opinion and not intended to offend, disregard it if you will. =P)
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[SilverSwift]

I can already see this thread being rapidly derailed because of a war debate, but I'll chuck my thoughts in there as someone who doesn't live in the US (therefore, my opinion doesn't exactly count for much!).

I followed the Democratic nomination with interest all the way through, and I think that if Obama decides to take Clinton on as his running mate, he'll get a few more votes...as stereotyped and brash as it sounds, he will get more female votes if she's officially endorsing him and in the race with him. McCain's got the background advantage, and to me seems quite a personable type, but Obama is also an exceptional public speaker, really inspiring. Unfortunately, it does seem as though the whole thing will be decided by which of the big negatives is the largest. McCain has the problem of having inherited a somewhat poisoned chalice with Bush preceding him, and pledging support to the war may not have been a smart move, as it seems a lot of people seems to be against it. Obama, on the other hand, manifestos aside, is in the interesting position whereby he's the first black presidential candidate in the history of the US. Whilst I realise that this is a very sensitive issue and very unpredictable, I honestly think that's going to go against him in the long run, especially with certain states.

These two actually seem to agree on a fair few issues, moreso than previous candidates, which is interesting. It's a really, really tough one to call, but I'm going to call Obama in an extremely close contest. He has the natural ability, and most importantly of all, a campaign machine that really seems to know what it's doing.

(As always with political debate and such, this is all my opinion and not intended to offend, disregard it if you will. =P)
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[ChimpyDolittle]

I guess I'll go for Obama just because he's the Democrat in this race. The idea of universal healthcare is incredibly tempting, and besides that, I just have a lot of liberal views concerning social issues. I've got nothing against McCain, but I just can't stand to think of 4 more years under anybody who is like George W. Bush.
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[ChimpyDolittle]

I guess I'll go for Obama just because he's the Democrat in this race. The idea of universal healthcare is incredibly tempting, and besides that, I just have a lot of liberal views concerning social issues. I've got nothing against McCain, but I just can't stand to think of 4 more years under anybody who is like George W. Bush.
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[rkcr]

I'm definitely an Obama man. I went to a rally he held in Minneapolis back in February, and when he spent half an hour listing what he wanted to get done in Washington I just felt really pumped afterwards.

I don't really have time to get into the specifics; although I don't agree with all of Obama's views, I certainly agree with a whole lot more of his than I do with McCain's. And that's how it generally is with me and Democrats vs. Republicans. But there's something more to Obama - when he explains his views, I see some serious thought that went into them, rather than that the opinion was only formed for political reasons.

[rkcr]

I'm definitely an Obama man. I went to a rally he held in Minneapolis back in February, and when he spent half an hour listing what he wanted to get done in Washington I just felt really pumped afterwards.

I don't really have time to get into the specifics; although I don't agree with all of Obama's views, I certainly agree with a whole lot more of his than I do with McCain's. And that's how it generally is with me and Democrats vs. Republicans. But there's something more to Obama - when he explains his views, I see some serious thought that went into them, rather than that the opinion was only formed for political reasons.

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[anterth]

rckr, im just curious as to why you never once supported the war. was it this particular war or do you just not support any war in general?

also, am I the only person on this website for McCain?!?!
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rckr, im just curious as to why you never once supported the war. was it this particular war or do you just not support any war in general?

also, am I the only person on this website for McCain?!?!
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[rkcr]

Sorry for the off-topic post, but it was asked for:

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[GHpwnzor]

I support McCain for a few reasons, however neither of the two candidates are very appealing to me.
There was a poll taken that asked who you would rather have answering the red phone during an international crisis at 3 o clock in the morning. To me, its McCain all the way in an emergency.
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[GHpwnzor]

I support McCain for a few reasons, however neither of the two candidates are very appealing to me.
There was a poll taken that asked who you would rather have answering the red phone during an international crisis at 3 o clock in the morning. To me, its McCain all the way in an emergency.
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[Ealasaid]

I'm an Obama supporter for several reasons:

- He will protect my access to reproductive health care.
- He is a top-notch orator.
- He's inspiring to young people, which is good for the country.
- He's an outsider to Washington and thus less likely to get mired down in doing favors for their own sake and more likely to work to get things done.
- By and large, his voting record mirrors my own preferences.

There are others, but those are the basic ones.

I used to like McCain (as much as I like any Republican politician, anyway) but as he's set his eyes on the White House, he's sunk lower and lower in his pandering to the religious right, and has lost my respect pretty much entirely.
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[Ealasaid]

I'm an Obama supporter for several reasons:

- He will protect my access to reproductive health care.
- He is a top-notch orator.
- He's inspiring to young people, which is good for the country.
- He's an outsider to Washington and thus less likely to get mired down in doing favors for their own sake and more likely to work to get things done.
- By and large, his voting record mirrors my own preferences.

There are others, but those are the basic ones.

I used to like McCain (as much as I like any Republican politician, anyway) but as he's set his eyes on the White House, he's sunk lower and lower in his pandering to the religious right, and has lost my respect pretty much entirely.
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Wisdom is knowing that you'll be an idiot in the future.
Common sense is knowing that you should try not to be an idiot NOW.
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