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Those who just say "there are no girls on the internet" are just not being right. If a girl is picked on on the internet, whoever picks on her needs to know that it's not unusual for her to be there.
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| mac081793 wrote: | Toward the "Nigger" comment.
Remember what George Carlin said?
"It's the context that makes them bad" |
Yeah, that's kind of how I feel about any sensitive word/situation. It's all about how you say it, to who, and when. I mean, a lot of black people use the n-word as a term of endearment kind of like "bro"; not that I agree with it, but that obviously shows that the word itself doesn't carry the meaning of hate, it's how people use it. But I think this topic is about sexism, not racism, so I'll stop derailing your thread now Hailz.
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| Ekma wrote: | | sukergod wrote: |
Because young males often feel awkward in the everyday society (epically the one's who are sociable), we tend to be jealous of our superior gender because they are more so then we. |
Superior gender? Clarify.
Do you mean that males in general feel that in a social situation a female is superior? |
I just mean that Woman are more intelligent than males are in a general attitude. While we get stuff just as much as woman do, they are able to express it towards social group better than us.
But because of this I find that young males are jealous of woman. We see that they can communicate their feelings and emotions better than us, meaning we tend to resent that. While we are smarter in a whole different area, woman are smarter in the real world. Its hard to see it that way, but after being with the same girl since September 2001, you being to understand it.
Maybe I should have specified it better. Woman are superior in social situations than guys, but I dont know if males see it that way. I think time and experience will deem them to believe thats true but thats the thing about being young, we often dont, thus alot of negativity breeds from it.
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After seeing this thread, I wanted to post before I forgot.
I have just gotten all of my wisdom teeth removed, and I haven't been around lately, but there are so many examples of such problems and I would like to try to understand them as well. My boyfriend has a suitemate who sits on the computer all day and would much rather talk to people through the internet. When he is actually talking face-to-face, he does nothing but trash talk, and puts everyone down instead of even attempting to cheer them up. He's always thinking about his next sinister plan or evil move to upset someone. He says he just jokes around when he does that, but can that be believed? He never really looks at girls, and gives me hell all the time for being his friend's girlfriend. There's a side of the building he lives in that has a few rooms of girls, and he will do whatever it takes to avoid that end of the hall. I think he's genuinely afraid of girls. He's 19, and he's never been on a date, so I wonder if that explains anything. My boyfriend says he's been that way since they meet 5 years ago.
Anyway, I wanted to point out that it might have something to do with home life and how the people are raised. I mean, this guy lives in his basement when he's at home, playing video games all day. His responsibility is low, almost non-existent, and I remember him explaining at a mealtime: "My mom told me that I can do anything I want, just don't break anything." I was so shocked when I heard this. There has to be some kind of punishment for this guy, but it won't happen.
That's how a guy turns out in real life. I am going to make a guess and say that the same thing occurs on the internet because there isn't enough regulation and punishment. And why girls are treated so bad by these guys? Well, I think they are actually afraid of girls, some of them. With how much women now have compared to decades ago, men are starting to get insecure about their position in the social heirarchy (sp?). I'm not saying that all men are like this, but those guys that are being mean to the female community are the ones who feel this way, most likely. They want to do whatever it takes to stay on top, and pushing girls away from the internet is probably their best shot. And its unfortunate that all this happens. It really is. Even if the girls try to make a community for them, it'll get "infected" by these guys. There are just too many of them =(
That was a mouthful. I hope this helps! ^_^
GNO ~ Sarah
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| GirlsNightOut wrote: | After seeing this thread, I wanted to post before I forgot.
I have just gotten all of my wisdom teeth removed, and I haven't been around lately, but there are so many examples of such problems and I would like to try to understand them as well. My boyfriend has a suitemate who sits on the computer all day and would much rather talk to people through the internet. When he is actually talking face-to-face, he does nothing but trash talk, and puts everyone down instead of even attempting to cheer them up. He's always thinking about his next sinister plan or evil move to upset someone. He says he just jokes around when he does that, but can that be believed? He never really looks at girls, and gives me hell all the time for being his friend's girlfriend. There's a side of the building he lives in that has a few rooms of girls, and he will do whatever it takes to avoid that end of the hall. I think he's genuinely afraid of girls. He's 19, and he's never been on a date, so I wonder if that explains anything. My boyfriend says he's been that way since they meet 5 years ago.
Anyway, I wanted to point out that it might have something to do with home life and how the people are raised. I mean, this guy lives in his basement when he's at home, playing video games all day. His responsibility is low, almost non-existent, and I remember him explaining at a mealtime: "My mom told me that I can do anything I want, just don't break anything." I was so shocked when I heard this. There has to be some kind of punishment for this guy, but it won't happen.
That's how a guy turns out in real life. I am going to make a guess and say that the same thing occurs on the internet because there isn't enough regulation and punishment. And why girls are treated so bad by these guys? Well, I think they are actually afraid of girls, some of them. With how much women now have compared to decades ago, men are starting to get insecure about their position in the social heirarchy (sp?). I'm not saying that all men are like this, but those guys that are being mean to the female community are the ones who feel this way, most likely. They want to do whatever it takes to stay on top, and pushing girls away from the internet is probably their best shot. And its unfortunate that all this happens. It really is. Even if the girls try to make a community for them, it'll get "infected" by these guys. There are just too many of them =(
That was a mouthful. I hope this helps! ^_^
GNO ~ Sarah |
Your last point about the social heirarchy is very interesting... I never thought about it like that, but it makes some sense. |
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| GirlsNightOut wrote: | After seeing this thread, I wanted to post before I forgot.
I have just gotten all of my wisdom teeth removed, and I haven't been around lately, but there are so many examples of such problems and I would like to try to understand them as well. My boyfriend has a suitemate who sits on the computer all day and would much rather talk to people through the internet. When he is actually talking face-to-face, he does nothing but trash talk, and puts everyone down instead of even attempting to cheer them up. He's always thinking about his next sinister plan or evil move to upset someone. He says he just jokes around when he does that, but can that be believed? He never really looks at girls, and gives me hell all the time for being his friend's girlfriend. There's a side of the building he lives in that has a few rooms of girls, and he will do whatever it takes to avoid that end of the hall. I think he's genuinely afraid of girls. He's 19, and he's never been on a date, so I wonder if that explains anything. My boyfriend says he's been that way since they meet 5 years ago.
Anyway, I wanted to point out that it might have something to do with home life and how the people are raised. I mean, this guy lives in his basement when he's at home, playing video games all day. His responsibility is low, almost non-existent, and I remember him explaining at a mealtime: "My mom told me that I can do anything I want, just don't break anything." I was so shocked when I heard this. There has to be some kind of punishment for this guy, but it won't happen.
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This reminds me a lot of how I grew up. I was pretty much able to do anything I wanted, as long as I didn't mess anything up. My mom was usually working all day or night so I never had supervision, but I always remained a good person. I can't see how anyone would want to be an asshole intentionally. I mean sometimes I might be an asshole here and there, but I usually don't mean to and I feel bad afterwards.
Anyway, for the past probably 4 years I've been living with my mom, (my girlfriend too I guess. I hope that doesn't negate my point) in a different state and city that I know absolutely no one, so I sit in my room all day and play games and such, and about the only thing negative that has happened to me is that I get really nervous around strangers. I could basically say I turned out to be the exact opposite (personality-wise anyway) of the person you're talking about. So often times It's just the choices in life we make as the person we want to be, rather than the way we grew up. I guess that's just something to think about too.
I personally can't stand it when other guys treat girls bad. Like when I was playing Halo the other day, there was a guy in the game just trash talking this girl the whole time. I was in a private chat so I couldn't really do anything, but it made me feel bad. Not because I couldn't stop it, but because this poor girl can't even play a game of Halo without some guy being an asshole. Hopefully she'd realize not all guys are going to be this way, but it does put a damper on our image.
I was raised in a good environment I think. So my views on women are pretty positive. I grew up with every woman in my life (mom, grandma, girlfriend, etc.) as an intellegent, strong, independent, hard working person. Pretty much every guy I was around (dad, his friends, etc.) were all assholes and slobs. I learned pretty quickly that women were nothing short of amazing people, and to be generous to them all my life.
I have no idea if this has a point to it, but there is my story, and I'm sticking to it, unless it has flaws, in which case, I didn't say it.
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| GirlsNightOut wrote: | After seeing this thread, I wanted to post before I forgot.
I have just gotten all of my wisdom teeth removed, and I haven't been around lately, but there are so many examples of such problems and I would like to try to understand them as well. My boyfriend has a suitemate who sits on the computer all day and would much rather talk to people through the internet. When he is actually talking face-to-face, he does nothing but trash talk, and puts everyone down instead of even attempting to cheer them up. He's always thinking about his next sinister plan or evil move to upset someone. He says he just jokes around when he does that, but can that be believed? He never really looks at girls, and gives me hell all the time for being his friend's girlfriend. There's a side of the building he lives in that has a few rooms of girls, and he will do whatever it takes to avoid that end of the hall. I think he's genuinely afraid of girls. He's 19, and he's never been on a date, so I wonder if that explains anything. My boyfriend says he's been that way since they meet 5 years ago.
Anyway, I wanted to point out that it might have something to do with home life and how the people are raised. I mean, this guy lives in his basement when he's at home, playing video games all day. His responsibility is low, almost non-existent, and I remember him explaining at a mealtime: "My mom told me that I can do anything I want, just don't break anything." I was so shocked when I heard this. There has to be some kind of punishment for this guy, but it won't happen.
That's how a guy turns out in real life. I am going to make a guess and say that the same thing occurs on the internet because there isn't enough regulation and punishment. And why girls are treated so bad by these guys? Well, I think they are actually afraid of girls, some of them. With how much women now have compared to decades ago, men are starting to get insecure about their position in the social heirarchy (sp?). I'm not saying that all men are like this, but those guys that are being mean to the female community are the ones who feel this way, most likely. They want to do whatever it takes to stay on top, and pushing girls away from the internet is probably their best shot. And its unfortunate that all this happens. It really is. Even if the girls try to make a community for them, it'll get "infected" by these guys. There are just too many of them =(
That was a mouthful. I hope this helps! ^_^
GNO ~ Sarah |
Ugh, same age as mine.  Fortunately, this doesn't make any difference at all. xD I was pretty much about to live the same situation, but something clicks on my head that such a stance would mess the hell outta me. I do spend most of my break times on the Interwebs, especially on this year. But, I look to strive the most to have affinity with the girls, plus that I act and feel equally on Internet AND real life. Unfortunately, I can't be assure when it goes to love. I'm not a bit affraid of girls, I just feel inconfident to date 'em, due to most of the girls' exigences today.
But, to have an idea, on my last trip at the end of November, my travelling companion was a girl, and I walked with her and her friends, all girls. First person I played with on XBL was a girl. Did I treated her well? Hell yeah. Did I treat every girl on the instant messaging well? Fuck yeah. It's very hard for me to figure out why some people can be so idiotics on the Internet. Maybe the way they grew up? 
Girls, while on the Internet, are still girls. <3 saying that... 
By the way, such intelligence by your part, Sarah.  I'm PRETTY SURE this could help everyone. 
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| Shotgunmerc wrote: | | THE WORD NIGGER IS OFFENSIVE, THERE IS NO REASON TO USE IT |
i mean comon man just making it size 18 is offensive...i was suprised when i saw it...
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| GirlsNightOut wrote: | | Anyway, I wanted to point out that it might have something to do with home life and how the people are raised. I mean, this guy lives in his basement when he's at home, playing video games all day. His responsibility is low, almost non-existent, and I remember him explaining at a mealtime: "My mom told me that I can do anything I want, just don't break anything." I was so shocked when I heard this. There has to be some kind of punishment for this guy, but it won't happen. |
While I don't disagree with the main point of it having to do with his upbringing, I don't think that the things that you listed have much to do with it. My parents were pretty similar, and I'm nothing like you describe him. When people have extremes to their personalities like that there tends to be an extreme that caused it. If he's afraid of girls it's not from sitting in his basement playing video games, that's for sure.
You make a lot of good points in your post and I'm not trying to take away from that, I just felt like trying to clear things up a bit on that.
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| GirlsNightOut wrote: | After seeing this thread, I wanted to post before I forgot.
I have just gotten all of my wisdom teeth removed, and I haven't been around lately, but there are so many examples of such problems and I would like to try to understand them as well. My boyfriend has a suitemate who sits on the computer all day and would much rather talk to people through the internet. When he is actually talking face-to-face, he does nothing but trash talk, and puts everyone down instead of even attempting to cheer them up. He's always thinking about his next sinister plan or evil move to upset someone. He says he just jokes around when he does that, but can that be believed? He never really looks at girls, and gives me hell all the time for being his friend's girlfriend. There's a side of the building he lives in that has a few rooms of girls, and he will do whatever it takes to avoid that end of the hall. I think he's genuinely afraid of girls. He's 19, and he's never been on a date, so I wonder if that explains anything. My boyfriend says he's been that way since they meet 5 years ago. |
Ow! Hey! 19 and never dated--and proud! And I'm not an angst-ridden sociopath, either!
Tell me what's so great about relationships that should make me jump out of my seat and go get one! From my point of view, all sex and dating seem to do are complicate things and throw everything out of order!
Okay, indignance aside... (I cut out the rest of the post for space, but I will be addressing the rest of it...) My situation used to be more or less the same as the one you've described, where I had virtually no controls or deep personal relationships to speak of. Throughout my teenage years (actually, starting before that even), I had home-schooled, and had more or less cut myself off from the outside world. My mother and father worked long days, so I would spend most of my days home alone with no controls and no schoolwork (I made my own curriculum). A lot of the time this involved long hours on the computer with nobody to talk to but for people on forums like these, or on chat clients like MSN and AIM. During this time I hit a lot of lows--I began to feel depressed, isolated, self-loathing and even suicidal--but I never became callous or mean towards anyone. In fact, though it was at great personal social cost, the lack of controls in that time of my life gave me total freedom to better myself in every way that I could. I devoted myself to the arts (though the medium changed from music, to sketches, to poetry, to essays, to music, to stories, and back to music, because I just can't commit to any one thing apparently) as well as to ethical philosophy, which I am constantly reflecting on in the hopes of making myself a better person.
When I came back into the world, I was very introverted, meek, and a little awkward socially, but I was nothing but nice to everyone I came across, and that remains true today, even after much of the shyness has melted away. The lack of controls in my life didn't destroy me; in fact, it did quite the opposite--it breathed into me a passion for something that I never had before.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's not the basement-dwelling lifestyle that turns someone into a regular cave troll (okay, I don't have a basement, so it was a bedroom in my case, but the point stands). The lack of external controls in his life just brought out his true nature, as it did mine, and unfortunately he apparently didn't have very good internal controls either.
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| Dreyvas wrote: | | This thread all boils down to one simple fact. When faced with the anonymity of the internet, people aren't afraid to show their true selves. Oftentimes it isn't pretty. |
It kinda bugs me that you call it their 'true selves.' Why do the negative aspects of ones personality wholly define who they are? |
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Ya know what was the most idiotic thing I've heard that pertains to this topic? I was in a chatroom and this topic came up. Some idiot had the gall to say "The only time a girl should be on the internet is if she"s getting fucked."
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Some people are dumbasses.
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