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Deak2112 
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 Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:02 am Post subject: Who were the first to do these? |
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Google was surprisingly useless for this.
My question was:
1. Who was the first guitarist to introduce 2-hand tappping?
2. Who was the first drummer to use double bass?
I've always been wondering these 2 things. Obviously Eddie Van Halen made tapping what it is today but I' pretty sure he wasn't the first to do it.
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Carungi
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Wikipedia is better than google.
Tapping
| Double Bass wrote: | | The idea for the double bass drum setup came from jazz drummer Louie Bellson when he was still in high school. Double bass drums were used initially by jazz artists such as Ray McKinley and Ed Shaughnessy in the 1940s and 1950s, and popularized in the 1960s by rock drummers Ginger Baker of Cream, Keith Moon of The Who and Nick Mason of Pink Floyd |
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Rubyz
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You will have a hard time pinpointing EXACTLY who, but I can tell you that while tapping existed before him, Eddie Van Halen took it to a whole new level. No one thought of doing whole runs with tapping before he came along, for instance.
No idea about double bass.
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BA142
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| Rubyz wrote: | You will have a hard time pinpointing EXACTLY who, but I can tell you that while tapping existed before him, Eddie Van Halen took it to a whole new level. No one thought of doing whole runs with tapping before he came along, for instance.
No idea about double bass. |
I know Eddie got the idea in the early 70's after watching Jimmy Page play the heartbreaker solo live and he thought it would be easier to tap a section like that. As for the first person to do it and be recognized for it...it's probably still Eddie. I know other guitarists experimented with it too before Eruption was ever recorded
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thecolonel
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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I remember hearing a song showed to me by my guitar teacher and he said that it was the first tapping ever and it was Robert Johnson. It was not like eddie, obviously, but it could have started there.
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FreeXBird
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I could've sworn I heard Ace Frehley was an original tapper, also. |
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Deak2112
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| FreeXBird wrote: | | I could've sworn I heard Ace Frehley was an original tapper, also. |
According to that Wiki page, he was in 1975 during the solo of "She" and since then.
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BigZ7337
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I remember hearing that Keith Moon was the originator of double bass. He talked to drum manufacturers and had the first double bass pedal custom made.
Actually, I just checked for an actual source: http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/equipment/drums/equip-moondrums-66.html
| Quote: | The double bass drum
The first big drummers who used two bass drums were Louis Bellson and Sam Woodyard, who both played with the Duke Ellington Orchestra in the ’50s and ’60s.
A likely inspiration for Keith’s switch to twin bass drums was the London-born big band leader Eric Delaney — he went twin bass a good 10–15 years before Ginger Baker et al, and, as mentioned in Dear Boy, Keith used to watch Eric on telly long before the days of the High Numbers. (Eric, incidentally, turned 81 in May 2005 and still playing nearly every night of the year.)
But there were two other drummers who brought the double bass-drum kit forth in rock and roll: Keith Moon and Ginger Baker of Cream.
Who came first?
Some say that Baker got the idea first, then told Keith in conversation what he had ordered from Ludwig. Keith acted quickly and put two kits together, in order to first in this “drummers arms race.” However, according to Keith’s biography, Dear Boy: The Life of Keith Moon, by Tony Fletcher, the story is as follows:
Keith met drummer Phil Wainman, in early 1966, in Marshall’s music shop in Hanwell, London, a place where professional musicians met and shared experiences. Wainman was a successful session drummer, who had a double bass drumkit. Moon may have gotton the idea from him then, but it wasn’t until The Who were on a UK tour in April, with the Jimmy Cliff Sound and Phil Wainman on drums, that Moon made the first step. Moon didn’t like that a drummer in a supporting act was playing on a drumkit bigger that his. This was the first time that Moon had ever been upstaged by another drummer. Moon tried to borrow Wainman’s kit, but he refused, after seeing what Moon had done to his own kit. Moon eventually pursuaded Wainman to lend him the left side of his kit, which Wainman got back in one piece.
As soon as the tour ended, Moon got Premier to make him a custom kit. It would still have the same red sparkle finish and sizes. The only custom thing about the kit though, was that the bass drums were joined together with Premier tom mounts.
It’s a fact that the bass drums were joined together, as pictures clearly show. This means that Moon didn’t simply just put two kits together to beat Ginger Baker in being first. |
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chikenwacker
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The idea for the double bass drum setup came from jazz drummer Louie Bellson when he was still in high school. Double bass drums were used initially by jazz artists such as Ray McKinley and Ed Shaughnessy in the 1940s and 1950s, and popularized in the 1960s by rock drummers Ginger Baker of Cream, Keith Moon of The Who and Nick Mason of Pink Floyd.
got that from wikipedia lol
to quote people at school "WIKIPEDIAS ALWAYS WRONG... EVERYONE EDITS EVERYTHING RAWR DONT USE WIKIPEDIA"
lol
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richjohnny
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:03 am Post subject: |
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I remember reading that John Bonham of Led Zeppelin was the first to use Double Bass, but thats probably not true.
He was a great drummer anyway.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:18 am Post subject: |
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To finish this thread out, here's what Wikipedia says about tapping.
| Wikipedia wrote: | | The Chapman Stick is an instrument built primarily for tapping, and is based on the Free Hands two-handed tapping method invented in 1969 by Emmett Chapman where each hand approaches the fretboard with the fingers aligned parallel to the frets. |
This seems to be the idea. I'm guessing Eddie saw this and began building and popularizing two-hand tapping. Double bass has been discussed so....
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