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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:23 pm    Post subject: PSN Outage (And how it affects you, credit info stolen) Reply with quote

Hopefully everyone sees this.

Its been confirmed that when Sony got hacked, credit card info got leaked out.

Also, Hotz is off the hook.

http://www.destructoid.com/george-geohot-hotz-and-sony-settle-out-of-court-198595.phtml

Info about what could have happened when the hacks started... which is what happened now.

http://www.destructoid.com/is-rampant-piracy-to-blame-for-psn-downtime--199610.phtml

Account stuff stolen:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/04/sony-admits-utter-psn-failure-your-personal-data-has-been-stolen.ars

A coworker of mine's wife just got called by the credit card company for three $100 charges on her card. It was used once on PSN.

Sottle wrote:
http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/psn-database-containing-2-2million-credit-cards-now-up-sale-85702/


More proof on credit info stolen.

Also, the new PSN agreement, if you agree to it to play online, basically says that Sony owns the console, and you're just leasing it. Sony can walk into your house and just take your ps3. Also, if accused of hacking, you get prosecuted in California.

Sony's doing this all the wrong way... Microsoft learned years ago that you don't piss off the hackers. They just ban Xboxes and if you're a repeat offender, off of Live. Sony is now getting their lesson.

Discuss.

I am SO glad I quit buying Sony products. I will modify every console that I own from them, because of what they did to www.lik-sang.com (Click on their link to read all about it). And... they can't do shit, because I am not online on any of their consoles, no stupid agreement saying its being leased.

I will NEVER buy a sony console off the shelf... or even used. Trades, or fixing broken things, that's it.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both Sony and the hackers are to blame. But I just want to play online
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sportsboy85 wrote:
Both Sony and the hackers are to blame. But I just want to play online


You're exactly right. Well its the hackers fault, and Sony's retaliation. Just to think... this could have all been stopped if they just left OtherOS on the thing... the whole reason that it was hacked to begin with, is because Hotz and others wanted to run linux on their ps3.

The real kicker is, that when they patched the thing to OtherOS, it is what created the exploit to find all the encryption keys. Now they found all the internal keys, and the thing is blown wide open. You can run literally any piece of code on the ps3 now... and here we are with the outage and stealing of credit cards.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: PSN Outage (And how it affects you, credit card info sto Reply with quote

Squirrel wrote:

Its been confirmed that when Sony got hacked, credit card info got leaked out.


Squirrel in the same post wrote:

I have no link confirming the credit card info has been stolen
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copy/Paste from a chatlog in FEBRUARY.


<user2> creditCard.paymentMethodId=VISA&creditCard.holderName=Max&creditCard.cardNumber=4558254723658741&creditCard.expireYear=
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2012&creditCard.expireMonth=2&creditCard.securityCode=214&creditCard.address.address1=example street%2024%20&creditCard.address.city=city1%20&creditCard.address.province=abc%20&creditCard.address.postalCode=12345%20
<user2> sent as plaintext
<user3> uh
<user3> did you censor that card?
<user2> ya its fake
<user3> good
<user1> wow, plaintext :S
<user5> plaintext wow
<user3> im never putting in my details like that
<user2> ya is all fake lol
<user2> i never used cc on ps3
<user2> normally you ATLEAST enccrypt the securtity code, even if its ssl
<user5> id hope sony would do such in a safe manner
<user5> psn cards probably plain text to then
<user2> fake certs are known since years as vuln so companies encrypt such data twice normally

Full link: http://pastie.org/private/97oth9v5tspkiztwwdmnga

Good enough for you?

I hope Sony get taking to fucking task for this, this is revolting. If they don't get sued for an absolutely crippling amount of money for transmitting MILLIONS of UNSECURED credit card numbers, there's no fucking justice.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Sottle.

I knew they stole info... but to send it out as plain text? Are you really serious?

That's... amazing that they would take customer info and just release it as plain text. Then again, they thought their console would be not crackable, so they never bothered with things like this.

Still, even if it is claimed to be that, you should still at least send it out as encrypted.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lolplaintext. Sony needs some encryption up in that bitch.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Squirrel wrote:
Also, the new PSN agreement, if you agree to it to play online, basically says that Sony owns the console, and you're just leasing it. Sony can walk into your house and just take your ps3. Also, if accused of hacking, you get prosecuted in California.

I knew a guy who seemed to think this was already the case... it's utter bullshit that it actually is now .

Seriously, though, they might as well just rent out the consoles instead of "selling" them. I can't express in words how angry just that alone would make me feel to buy the console only to be told that I don't actually "own" it, but I think this comes close.

Imagine what kind of backlash Sony will have to deal with when they start confiscating PS3s because they suspect people are running unlicensed applications on it. How are they going to enforce this, anyway, especially when you no longer need custom firmware to run homebrew apps?

Squirrel wrote:
The real kicker is, that when they patched the thing to OtherOS, it is what created the exploit to find all the encryption keys. Now they found all the internal keys, and the thing is blown wide open. You can run literally any piece of code on the ps3 now... and here we are with the outage and stealing of credit cards.

I doubt they'll realize the irony that because they removed a feature on the PS3 out of fear of it getting hacked, that they not only created incentive for people to try to hack it, but created a way for people to hack it on a level WAY beyond the other consoles .

Epic fail on Sony's part all around the board... no encryption whatsoever on cc numbers? Did they think this couldn't happen or something?

EDIT:

Wait, I didn't see that before.... Sony deemed it unlawful to export PSPs? Really? They weren't cheap knock-offs or anything, were they?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the general view of the thread. At first, I thought they were shutting down because of the rampant hacking of some online games and attempts to breach their security. When I heard about GeoHot, I got sick to my stomach. What he was doing was absolutely harmless and innocent, in my eyes. Making a PS3 run another OS and opening up the PS2 emulation manually is nothing compared to how blown out of proportion it is now, especially when Sony should have released the PS2 emulation with every damn console in the first place.

I'm glad I traded mine in for my 360, to say the least.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DeftrockX3 wrote:
Sony dropped the ball by not being straightforward right after they decided to shut down PSN. Forget the hoopla of not being able to play Portal and MK, identity theft is far more grave issue.


Their response to that claim (in their most recent blog entry to date) is that they only found out that data had been compromised several days after they took PSN down as a precaution. Of course we'll never know if it's actually true, but that's what they're telling us.

Anyway - I feel like I dodged a bullet to an extent here: I just bought my PS3 this past weekend, after PSN had already gone down but before the full extent of the breach was revealed. I'm gonna be very careful about what information I put on there when it eventually returns and I get signed up. I'll certainly be sticking to PSN vouchers or get a pre-paid credit card for purchases.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qarx wrote:
Wait, I didn't see that before.... Sony deemed it unlawful to export PSPs? Really? They weren't cheap knock-offs or anything, were they?


Nope, official Asian PSP's. Because they like to jack stuff up for Europe, and the console is region free as far as games are concerned, they seen it as a loss of money to them.

Play asia is close, but nothing beat Lik-Sang. They were the top store to get anything X console to USB adapters... and were the only store to carry my favorite, the Parallel port to PSX adapter. Why is that important?

Playing DDR, I ALWAYS seen a lag in USB converters (at that time). Parallel port was the only thing (back then... the redoctane afterburner ddr pad has built in usb that is lag free) that was lag free. I am unable to find these adapters anymore. I want one so bad...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its so fucking pathetic that pretty much every place on the internet this is being discussed has degenerated into console war bullshit. This is not about Microsoft or Nintendo. This is about Sony, this is about possible criminal negligence on a global scale.

Just drop the fanboyism for one little second please internets?

Sorry, just needed somewhere to vent this where i have at least some faith in the general populace
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sottle wrote:
Sorry, just needed somewhere to vent this


http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=106823
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ontwikseltsaar wrote:
Sottle wrote:
Sorry, just needed somewhere to vent this


http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=106823


Nice, didn't know that existed. It was still ontopic here though
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