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ordchaos  





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've previously been able to use my TV/receiver set up to play Guitar Hero 1 and 2 on the PS2 with some level of success (5 starring nearly everything.) Upon trying GH3 on my new PS3 (using HDMI->DVI adaptor and either Optical or AV audio), my performance seems to have gone down the tubes. Many attempts at different lag calibrations doesn't seem to solve the fundamental issue.

It seems like the guitar is lagging inconsistently, varying in how much it delays the input you're giving it. In sections of straightforward every beat strumming, I'm having very little success keeping long combos consistently in GH3 on the PS3. Stuff that I should be getting correct, doesn't seem to be working with any rhyme or reason. This happens even during sections with no note changes at all...just rhythmic strumming. So either I'm barely hitting on the edge of the timing window, or there's something inconsistent in the guitar lag.

Today I stopped by a Sam's club and played a few songs (only the first two tiers were unlocked) using an Xbox360 with a wired Xplorer guitar. I first calibrated the lag (got about 50ms on the Samsung TV they had attached), then proceeded to play 3 expert level songs missing about 20 notes total -- all in all a much better performance than I've been able to achieve on the PS3 with many more attempts.

Is there anyone using the PS3 version that's having success FC-ing Expert Level songs?
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TheRiff  





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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont change your lag.

Im a PS2 owner, but my friend has a PS3 so I figured he should buy it and well play the PS3 version all the way through the day of the release.
The PS3 version has an error with the sound, and I agree. I played the PS2 version all the way through the following day on the SAME TV and faced no problems and got 5 100%'s

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zotmaster wrote:

I apologize if I sound like a whiny bitch, but "occasionally" to me isn't good enough. Maybe I expect Activision, Neversoft, RedOctane, or whoever to come out, offer me free hookers, and bless me with the touch of God...

...but I really want a damn guitar, and a game, that functions properly. Activision basically told me to just exchange the bundle for a good one. I just wonder if it'll be strike three.


No, I hear you, it infurated me at first. However, occasionally is relative: it used to be that I'd drop 3-5 notes a song for no seeming reason.

Now out of 5 songs I play, I'll have an instance where I miss a note but feel like I should have hit it 1-3 times, which is much more reasonable, as I'm not sure if I really did hit the note or not.

It's certainly a lot less forgiving, playing GH3 on the PS3 than GH2 was, but GH2 was pretty damn forgiving.

The only other time I'll miss a note is because the connector becomes a bit loose/I'm too far away from my television, but this is instantly noticeable, and if I reset the song and readjust the controller, it's usually fine from there. The neck of the guitar being detachable is without a doubt one of the biggest fundamental design idiocies I've ever seen, it's practically begging for problems.

What really sucks is beneath all these terrible hardware choices and problems is a game that's a lot of fun to play, with the exception of a few too many terrible notecharts in the bonus section.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ordchaos wrote:
It seems like the guitar is lagging inconsistently...

Exactly my thought, and there is no way to calibrate that completely.

I'm going to stick with ps2 and hope a wired or bluetooth guitar comes out, even if it's a 3rd party. Then I'll try the ps3 version again.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koushiro wrote:
So far noone has complained about the 360/other consoles guitar functioning incorrectly, so i'm guessing it's a ps3 issue. =/ *sigh* I feel like trading the ps3 one in for the 360 version tomorrow, xD.


Some 360 users are complaining that when they up-strum on the Les Paul controller, the game counts the strum twice, making alt-strumming impossible. And I have it for PS3, and I haven't had any problem with delays, but sometimes when I miss a note, the sound of the guitar stops playing during the song and won't resume until I miss another note. Neversoft should have play tested this game more than they did.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yowza, I guess I got lucky. My PS3 version has none of these problems.

50" sony vega, TV sound, component cables.

Fire your QC department Neversoft.

My friend had some of these issues and when he switched back to component and no surround sound that solved his lag. Too bad he can't play it in the high def world.

My only problem is I use a pick and the strum is too sensitive. If I get a long streak of fast notes ending in a sustain chord, it almost always hits the chord and then breaks the streak. Is this the strum bar hitting twice when I release it? What's the quick fix if there is one?

edit - I play on all levels, just suck on expert. 30ms lag improved timing to where 99% of the misses are my fault. It still will break streaks at end of continous strum sections or during holds but rarely now. BTW I can't tell from all the responses but would it be worth getting the PS2 version just to increase scores, is it that much better? and can you use the old controllers with it? sorry in advance for the naivete.
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Slowrod  





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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, rather than continue to be frustrated with the PS3 version I exchanged mine for a PS2 bundle today. The PS2 did come with a wireless kramer and it works flawlessly (I have an old SG for a 2nd guitar now too). If they ever get their heads out of their asses and release a bluetooth guitar, or just manage to release an update to fix the PS3 issues I'll be right back.

Either way, best of luck to you guys who stick it out with the PS3 version. I know it isn't fun at all to play the game when it doesn't work properly.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm probably just going to go the safe route and pick up the game and play it with my old SG, I know I like that guitar and there's no problems with it so Im not going to chance anything. I have 2 of them also, so I dont really need to get another guitar. When Christmas rolls around I'll either pick it up for the ps3 or 360, but prob 360, hopefully I wont have any issues with it then, I havent seen as many 360 issues.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the PS3 version and the sync is fine for me. However, I do get that a stupid inconsistant lag...

However, I got something weird... My green fret stopped responding and it wouldn't start again until I resetted my PS3. Then it happened again, although this time, it started working again a few notes later...
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DreXxiN  





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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shouldn't people be mailing complaints? This PS3 stuff is annoying, I hope they are developing a fix..

..and as for any of your frets not working, just remove the fret board and plug it back in nice and tight..I had this problem with blue when I got it.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my ps2 kramer wireless controller has bad lag as well. i plugged in the old wired sg and played the songs much much mo better. it's a shame b/c i like the new controller better in all other ways (especially the strum bar).
does anyone know if the manufacturer will exchange controllers or do you have to go to point of purchase?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jevilesus wrote:
Koushiro wrote:
So far noone has complained about the 360/other consoles guitar functioning incorrectly, so i'm guessing it's a ps3 issue. =/ *sigh* I feel like trading the ps3 one in for the 360 version tomorrow, xD.


Some 360 users are complaining that when they up-strum on the Les Paul controller, the game counts the strum twice, making alt-strumming impossible. And I have it for PS3, and I haven't had any problem with delays, but sometimes when I miss a note, the sound of the guitar stops playing during the song and won't resume until I miss another note. Neversoft should have play tested this game more than they did.


Nevermind that post I made lol, I talked with my friend who owns a copy for the 360, and I clearly watched him play and noticed his green fret button gave out... before the song even started, when he was trying to start up the song =S His guitar is really bad because he has to 'constantly keep the guitar in motion' as he plays so that it can read the green button... pretty retarded. Looking at the rankings, it seems like not many people are having problems with the PS2. =P Though I have heard a few bad things about it.

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DreXxiN wrote:
Shouldn't people be mailing complaints? This PS3 stuff is annoying, I hope they are developing a fix..

..and as for any of your frets not working, just remove the fret board and plug it back in nice and tight..I had this problem with blue when I got it.


I'll tell him to try that, thanks.
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Evster  





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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I read, the 360 has had problems with frets not working and the neck being loose. But I don't think it has any timing issues or lag.

Only read lag issues for the ps3 and the ps2 Kramer.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok great. We have established that all platforms have had some kind of issue regarding lag or bad guitars or whatever. So, how about some mother-freakin solutions from the manufacturers? They aren't even truely acknowledging that there are any issues at all. My cynical opinion is that they aren't going to publicly address any issues until they feel that it won't majorly affect the initial game sales. Too bad they are not taking into consideration the fact that the negative "word of mouth" from the people that already bought the game regarding the technical issues are undoubtedly hurting sales. How about a little bone for the loyal consumers who already made the purchases?

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Waacm  





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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:25 pm    Post subject: Not for me. . . Reply with quote

i love the ps3 version, and i noticed the notes are off ever so slightly so i calibrated and 6 ms is perfect for me. it is all on time and perfectly synced and haven't noticed the guitar screwing up (although a couple times in the past either the guitar screwed up or it was the lag that was fixed with the calibration)
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