Girls on the Internet (+ a request for all of ScoreHero...)

[PiemanLK]

[PiemanLK]

[sedron]

I cannot add too much to the thread that hasn't already been said. I've never been biased or rude to girls; I was raised on strong principles of chivalry (at least the part of chivalry regarding the respect of girls.). I try to not offend anyone on the internet no matter what gender, religion or race someone is.

[sedron]

I cannot add too much to the thread that hasn't already been said. I've never been biased or rude to girls; I was raised on strong principles of chivalry (at least the part of chivalry regarding the respect of girls.). I try to not offend anyone on the internet no matter what gender, religion or race someone is.

[GuitarHailz]

@jesse again: I understand exactly what you're trying to say and I agree (and I appreciate your wording of it as to not offend anyone)... I would like to hope I'm one of those "quiet dignity" types. Like I've said earlier, I prefer to remain hidden more than anything else. Anyone who has met me in person will tell you that.

I'm tempted to just side with Graf on this one... evolution can only move so fast. :p

For what its worth... I've probably read and re-read Blaze's posts 3 times today. Everything she says is just so true to how I feel. Do I think every guy on the internet is a sexist pig? Of course not... that wouldn't be fair at all. Just... the strong feelings she has about the subject sums up what I'm thinking, she just has more guts to say it.

Things like this are an awfully touchy thing to discuss on a forum, and I appreciate everyone being cool to each other about it. If there was a time to give people the benefit of the doubt, this is it.
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[GuitarHailz]

@jesse again: I understand exactly what you're trying to say and I agree (and I appreciate your wording of it as to not offend anyone)... I would like to hope I'm one of those "quiet dignity" types. Like I've said earlier, I prefer to remain hidden more than anything else. Anyone who has met me in person will tell you that.

I'm tempted to just side with Graf on this one... evolution can only move so fast. :p

For what its worth... I've probably read and re-read Blaze's posts 3 times today. Everything she says is just so true to how I feel. Do I think every guy on the internet is a sexist pig? Of course not... that wouldn't be fair at all. Just... the strong feelings she has about the subject sums up what I'm thinking, she just has more guts to say it.

Things like this are an awfully touchy thing to discuss on a forum, and I appreciate everyone being cool to each other about it. If there was a time to give people the benefit of the doubt, this is it.
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[jesse0986]

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[munkyzero]

I can't really think of anything all that specific or important to say here, so I'll sum it up so you know how I feel:

Girls on the internet \m/

And to blaze:

Girls that play guitar \m/ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:P
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[munkyzero]

I can't really think of anything all that specific or important to say here, so I'll sum it up so you know how I feel:

Girls on the internet \m/

And to blaze:

Girls that play guitar \m/ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:P
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[Ekma]

I don't know why, but as a person on the internet this thread annoys me.

Let me say this: It is always the loudest that are heard.
The silent masses do not get attention, but the loud few do.

The amount of stereotyping that goes on in this thread... It's appalling.
Why is it always man/woman/gay/black/white before simply being a person? A human being! In the end that encompasses all that we are.

Are we all that desperate to be labelled and moulded into a uniform persona that we are supposed to act as? Much like striving to be 'cool' when you are young, trying to fit in.

Also I do not like the term "the internet" to describe a few internet communities with a predominantly adolescent male population that people in this thread frequent. "The internet" is much bigger, it is a medium of communication. A global network, series of tubes whatever you prefer.

Every single person in the world who has access to a computer also has access to the internet these days. Some people read the news. Some use internet banking. Some do commerce; make their livelihood on the internet. Some people participate in facebook/myspace/etc. Some people frequent humour/satire sites such as somethingawful/4chan/ebaumsworld/etc. Some people participate in special interest communities such as scorehero/worldofwarcraft/crafts/etc. Some people use it solely for porn. Some people do all or some of the above.

I am completely indifferent to "girls on the internet".

I am all for people on the internet doing what they do: Be it trading ideas, having their 'lulz', playing games, arguing. The beauty of the internet as a medium lies in its inherent freedom. The user has the ultimate choice of what he chooses to view and what he chooses to input. If you do not like what you see, close the tab.
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[Ekma]

I don't know why, but as a person on the internet this thread annoys me.

Let me say this: It is always the loudest that are heard.
The silent masses do not get attention, but the loud few do.

The amount of stereotyping that goes on in this thread... It's appalling.
Why is it always man/woman/gay/black/white before simply being a person? A human being! In the end that encompasses all that we are.

Are we all that desperate to be labelled and moulded into a uniform persona that we are supposed to act as? Much like striving to be 'cool' when you are young, trying to fit in.

Also I do not like the term "the internet" to describe a few internet communities with a predominantly adolescent male population that people in this thread frequent. "The internet" is much bigger, it is a medium of communication. A global network, series of tubes whatever you prefer.

Every single person in the world who has access to a computer also has access to the internet these days. Some people read the news. Some use internet banking. Some do commerce; make their livelihood on the internet. Some people participate in facebook/myspace/etc. Some people frequent humour/satire sites such as somethingawful/4chan/ebaumsworld/etc. Some people participate in special interest communities such as scorehero/worldofwarcraft/crafts/etc. Some people use it solely for porn. Some people do all or some of the above.

I am completely indifferent to "girls on the internet".

I am all for people on the internet doing what they do: Be it trading ideas, having their 'lulz', playing games, arguing. The beauty of the internet as a medium lies in its inherent freedom. The user has the ultimate choice of what he chooses to view and what he chooses to input. If you do not like what you see, close the tab.
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[Confrontational]

I only read to the third page. Apologies if this has been covered, though I imagine it hasn't, because it's a rather "unconventional" opinion.

That said, my opinion?

The whole "male mysogynist" schtick is a hurtful stereotype against good and decent men of the internet everywhere... And one that is being perpetuated by every single one of you, including you, Hailz.

Rather blunt, to be sure, but there is a point to be made behind it: I shouldn't be made to apologize for the stupid and ugly things that "men" (read: little boys with Napoleon complexes) do on the internet, just like you, Hailz, shouldn't be made to answer for the stupid and ugly things that perpetuate the stereotypes of the girl gamer/internet-goer.

The "men" who act on these ugly, imagined stereotypes of women on the Web don't represent their gender in the least bit, just like the "women" who breathe life into these ugly, imagined stereotypes don't represent the female community.

Sure, these ugly stereotypes do exist, but like all other breeds of ignorance, they are best answered with silence, as they are not deserving of a dignified response.

Ultimately, things probably wouldn't be that much simpler if gender roles and online gender stereotypes ceased to exist--stupidity and ignorance knows neither gender nor limitations, and the likely explanation for mysogyny on the internet is that it is simply an outlet for this ignorance (usually masquerading as something less inane, like "bravado").

Regardless, this endless and rather pointless cycle is one that would be best seen in the archives. So it is with this in mind that I say, with sound mind and pure heart (jeez, does that sound shmaltzy or what?):

I, Confrontational, do not objectify women.

Repeat after me, fellas!

(I'll think of something for the women to say. I have to go for now. Ta.)

EDIT: Guess I don't have to go.

That said, I read through the rest of the thread and found juicy tidbits such as these:

[Confrontational]

I only read to the third page. Apologies if this has been covered, though I imagine it hasn't, because it's a rather "unconventional" opinion.

That said, my opinion?

The whole "male mysogynist" schtick is a hurtful stereotype against good and decent men of the internet everywhere... And one that is being perpetuated by every single one of you, including you, Hailz.

Rather blunt, to be sure, but there is a point to be made behind it: I shouldn't be made to apologize for the stupid and ugly things that "men" (read: little boys with Napoleon complexes) do on the internet, just like you, Hailz, shouldn't be made to answer for the stupid and ugly things that perpetuate the stereotypes of the girl gamer/internet-goer.

The "men" who act on these ugly, imagined stereotypes of women on the Web don't represent their gender in the least bit, just like the "women" who breathe life into these ugly, imagined stereotypes don't represent the female community.

Sure, these ugly stereotypes do exist, but like all other breeds of ignorance, they are best answered with silence, as they are not deserving of a dignified response.

Ultimately, things probably wouldn't be that much simpler if gender roles and online gender stereotypes ceased to exist--stupidity and ignorance knows neither gender nor limitations, and the likely explanation for mysogyny on the internet is that it is simply an outlet for this ignorance (usually masquerading as something less inane, like "bravado").

Regardless, this endless and rather pointless cycle is one that would be best seen in the archives. So it is with this in mind that I say, with sound mind and pure heart (jeez, does that sound shmaltzy or what?):

I, Confrontational, do not objectify women.

Repeat after me, fellas!

(I'll think of something for the women to say. I have to go for now. Ta.)

EDIT: Guess I don't have to go.

That said, I read through the rest of the thread and found juicy tidbits such as these:

[btownsoccerstud]

Hailz I appolgize in advance if my views have already been discussed but I didn't want to read the previous 6 pages on my blackberry but to answer your questions:
1. I agree with other posters that age of forum going males is generally young and what I have notice predominantly uneducated when refering to relationships and socializing with females. I don't want to start any stereotypes or flame wars but that's my opinion and also I think you would agree hailz that forums are bad when refering to this isse but Xbox live is by FAR the worst place for sexual descrimination (sp?) I am friends with a pretty good amount of females on xbox live maybe 20/100 friends are female and the majority of them when we play together on mostly FPS games constantly get harrassed and made fun of simple because they are female. I guess the male physcie (sp) thinks once the conversation isn't physical and over the internet that they can say what ever they want. In the past I have asked a few of my female friends on xbox live how you put up with all this constant harrassment and they said the majority of people who talk crudely over xbox live to females are social outcasts and the only way they feel power is by saying harmful things over xbox live. It has gotten so bad over the past 6 months on xbox live that I get tired trying to defend my friends from the onslaught of sexual jokes thrown at them. Luckily xbox finally came out with the new party chat which has helped tremendously in cutting down the amount of trash talking me and my friends receive while playing together but it is still a very big issue on live. I have tremendous amounts of respect for females who are not afraid to reveal their gender on xbox live or forums and males should at least have the morals to respect this fact and treat females as human beings and not some sexual prostitute who decided to get on xbox live. I appoligze if this post is rambling on but I have a female friend on xbox live who I will keep annonymous (sp?) For her privacy who I have ut-most respect for and in some ways admire because she is the top ranked female in Gears of War and who constantly has to put up with retards who realize who she is and at the beginning of the game are usually nice or atleast have a little respect for her but by the end of the match somehow she has turned into this fat.bitch who does nothing but play video games all day long and harrase her and our party until we leave the room, but she never shows that these type things hurt her emotionally which I admire and I have asked her how do you put up with the constant harrassment and she simply said if you surround yourself with kind and protective people you learn to ignore immature and egotistical douchebags on xbox live. In conclusion hailz I don't know if this will ever change especially on live as long as communication is allowed. Forums can be monitored a little bit to hopefully decrease this occurance.
Sorry if I sort of carried on but this is a very touchy subject for my and I have some very personal experiences on this issue.
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[btownsoccerstud]

Hailz I appolgize in advance if my views have already been discussed but I didn't want to read the previous 6 pages on my blackberry but to answer your questions:
1. I agree with other posters that age of forum going males is generally young and what I have notice predominantly uneducated when refering to relationships and socializing with females. I don't want to start any stereotypes or flame wars but that's my opinion and also I think you would agree hailz that forums are bad when refering to this isse but Xbox live is by FAR the worst place for sexual descrimination (sp?) I am friends with a pretty good amount of females on xbox live maybe 20/100 friends are female and the majority of them when we play together on mostly FPS games constantly get harrassed and made fun of simple because they are female. I guess the male physcie (sp) thinks once the conversation isn't physical and over the internet that they can say what ever they want. In the past I have asked a few of my female friends on xbox live how you put up with all this constant harrassment and they said the majority of people who talk crudely over xbox live to females are social outcasts and the only way they feel power is by saying harmful things over xbox live. It has gotten so bad over the past 6 months on xbox live that I get tired trying to defend my friends from the onslaught of sexual jokes thrown at them. Luckily xbox finally came out with the new party chat which has helped tremendously in cutting down the amount of trash talking me and my friends receive while playing together but it is still a very big issue on live. I have tremendous amounts of respect for females who are not afraid to reveal their gender on xbox live or forums and males should at least have the morals to respect this fact and treat females as human beings and not some sexual prostitute who decided to get on xbox live. I appoligze if this post is rambling on but I have a female friend on xbox live who I will keep annonymous (sp?) For her privacy who I have ut-most respect for and in some ways admire because she is the top ranked female in Gears of War and who constantly has to put up with retards who realize who she is and at the beginning of the game are usually nice or atleast have a little respect for her but by the end of the match somehow she has turned into this fat.bitch who does nothing but play video games all day long and harrase her and our party until we leave the room, but she never shows that these type things hurt her emotionally which I admire and I have asked her how do you put up with the constant harrassment and she simply said if you surround yourself with kind and protective people you learn to ignore immature and egotistical douchebags on xbox live. In conclusion hailz I don't know if this will ever change especially on live as long as communication is allowed. Forums can be monitored a little bit to hopefully decrease this occurance.
Sorry if I sort of carried on but this is a very touchy subject for my and I have some very personal experiences on this issue.
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[hydrapower]

I skimmed over many of the responses here before posting, and will try not to sound too redundant here.

I think it depends on where on the Internet you're at.

If the forum you are visiting is made up of mostly young males, then you'll probably find they're all trying to 1-up each other with zingers and lulz, because that's what they do. Female = easy target.

This holds true in games too, I think. I'll give you two different examples. I played Burnout 3 for a lot of months on XBL, and for the most part people were actually pretty cool instead of the Tourette's foulmouths that people tend to be on shooters. Additionally, probably 25% of the population was female! I guess girls like racing cars really fast and crashing them. ^_^ But there was little if any misogyny or jokes at the expense of females, they were just players in this fun game.

Compare that to Gears of War, which I don't think I've ever seen one female online and I played that for a lot of months too. The game is basically designed for young males, with lots of macho bravado from some incredibly dense characters and the fact that your guy gets dropped to his knees whenever someone else kills you, practically inviting whatever kind of repulsive trashtalk exists.

I also play on pogo.com, a casual games site where the population is probably 85% female. Most people are friendly and naturally there's none of the bullshit/lulz that you'd find elsewhere. And that community stacks up in numbers to any of those XBL games.

I am also an average white male of age 30 who's been called all manner of insults during online games, including ones that make no sense (like the n-word). I don't know what to say other than mute buttons are helpful.
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[hydrapower]

I skimmed over many of the responses here before posting, and will try not to sound too redundant here.

I think it depends on where on the Internet you're at.

If the forum you are visiting is made up of mostly young males, then you'll probably find they're all trying to 1-up each other with zingers and lulz, because that's what they do. Female = easy target.

This holds true in games too, I think. I'll give you two different examples. I played Burnout 3 for a lot of months on XBL, and for the most part people were actually pretty cool instead of the Tourette's foulmouths that people tend to be on shooters. Additionally, probably 25% of the population was female! I guess girls like racing cars really fast and crashing them. ^_^ But there was little if any misogyny or jokes at the expense of females, they were just players in this fun game.

Compare that to Gears of War, which I don't think I've ever seen one female online and I played that for a lot of months too. The game is basically designed for young males, with lots of macho bravado from some incredibly dense characters and the fact that your guy gets dropped to his knees whenever someone else kills you, practically inviting whatever kind of repulsive trashtalk exists.

I also play on pogo.com, a casual games site where the population is probably 85% female. Most people are friendly and naturally there's none of the bullshit/lulz that you'd find elsewhere. And that community stacks up in numbers to any of those XBL games.

I am also an average white male of age 30 who's been called all manner of insults during online games, including ones that make no sense (like the n-word). I don't know what to say other than mute buttons are helpful.
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[powahouse]

this thread is absolutely necessary. being a visitor of a lot of different forums (ie. rollerblading forums and gaming forums) i've noticed this A LOT over the past couple of years. girls on rollerblading forums have it bad. i've also always been the one to get pissed about people saying "you're pretty good...for a girl." seriously. implying that girls simply aren't as capable to be good at something...it's one of the dumber things that the majority of men in america say. thankfully, i know a girl personally that skates with all of the dudes around here in the detroit scene and she's shown pretty much each and every one of them how gender doesn't matter. she's won national competitions and stuff. it rules.

i don't even want to start with the comments i hear towards any girl i come across on XBL. makes me mad to think that people are so ignorant. also makes me sad to know why that's the reason i don't know any gamers that are girls. it's inspiring to see girls succeed and ignore what people say, no matter what they're trying to accomplish. i remember how happy i was when i first saw TipperQueen at the top of some of the scorehero leaderboards.

you should make this post on all the forums you visit. some people are just dumb, especially sexist people.
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[powahouse]

this thread is absolutely necessary. being a visitor of a lot of different forums (ie. rollerblading forums and gaming forums) i've noticed this A LOT over the past couple of years. girls on rollerblading forums have it bad. i've also always been the one to get pissed about people saying "you're pretty good...for a girl." seriously. implying that girls simply aren't as capable to be good at something...it's one of the dumber things that the majority of men in america say. thankfully, i know a girl personally that skates with all of the dudes around here in the detroit scene and she's shown pretty much each and every one of them how gender doesn't matter. she's won national competitions and stuff. it rules.

i don't even want to start with the comments i hear towards any girl i come across on XBL. makes me mad to think that people are so ignorant. also makes me sad to know why that's the reason i don't know any gamers that are girls. it's inspiring to see girls succeed and ignore what people say, no matter what they're trying to accomplish. i remember how happy i was when i first saw TipperQueen at the top of some of the scorehero leaderboards.

you should make this post on all the forums you visit. some people are just dumb, especially sexist people.
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