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this1neguy
Joined: 19 Aug 2007 Posts: 5444 Location: Flint, MI
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Guys, the definition of "terminal illness" is one that cannot be cured. So technically if we advanced medicine to the point where we could cure such illnesses, they would no longer be terminal.
...nothing really on topic per se, just wanted to clear that up. _________________
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thatguy4893
Joined: 16 Aug 2008 Posts: 989 Location: The OOSAH FTW! (California)
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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this1neguy wrote: | Guys, the definition of "terminal illness" is one that cannot be cured. So technically if we advanced medicine to the point where we could cure such illnesses, they would no longer be terminal.
...nothing really on topic per se, just wanted to clear that up. |
thanks, you've just made me that much less stupid _________________
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FlimFlam
Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 1619
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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If we're gonna go around and "put down" (kill) animals as willy-nilly as we do, we should at least allow people to choose the same thing. That's not to say we should automatically kill suffering people, but death is their right and if they choose it, then that's fine with me. _________________
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DemonHybrid
Joined: 19 Aug 2006 Posts: 2871 Location: Matamoras, PA
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Yes: IF you have an incurable ailment that torments your daily life and you get things sorted out with your family. Why do we even have to debate stuff like this? Outlaw DNRs in hospitals then, I fail to see why this is any different. |
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Ealasaid
Joined: 14 Nov 2006 Posts: 422 Location: Santa Clara, CA
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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I'm in favor of assisted suicide/active euthanasia for the terminally ill for two reasons: one, nobody should be forced to suffer against their will and two, Alzheimer's runs in my family.
I watched my grandmother's body live for years after her mind had died. Caring for late stage Alzheimer's patients is incredibly expensive and emotionally traumatic, and I think those of us who know we might well go that route should be able to make arrangements to go out with dignity and not have to spend years and years heavily sedated in expensive nursing homes.
I think the family member + two doctors requirement is a solid one and should be implemented everywhere. _________________
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inkjt510
Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 1213
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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I'll just put this out there: I've never heard a valid argument against euthanasia that didn't hinge on religion. Coincidentally, its the same thing with gay marriage. _________________
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trofl
Joined: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 1297 Location: Ames, IA
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: |
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inkjt510 wrote: | I've never heard a valid argument against euthanasia that didn't hinge on religion. |
Then you've never heard a valid argument (hinging on religion == appeal to authority). _________________
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inkjt510
Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 1213
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ShadoWolf
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2034 Location: Slough, England
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Bumping this 4 year old thread because fuck da police
Also I read a fascinating piece by a paraplegic, which is actually one of the most emotional works I've ever read, and has made me consider this issue in great detail. It's called Two Arms and a Head: The Death of a Newly Paraplegic Philosopher, will take about 2-3 hours, and will blow your mind. It gets kinda graphic at some points, but it's seriously worth a read.
I personally think that euthanasia should be legal everywhere, for this exact sort of situation. It would be less heartbreaking for the families to see their relatives go in the way that they wanted, and not as a barely functioning person. To quote from the book:
Clayton Atreus wrote: | Being paraplegic is not a life I can fight for because I hate it. I want a fighting chance. I can’t live life in chains that will never come off. All I can hope for is to become happy with a life that now tortures me. One that cages me, pens me in, puts up walls all around me. One that makes me smaller, misshapen, that boxes my heart and spirit inside of me. But that’s no hope at all, no challenge at all. |
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Brockbfball1563
Joined: 29 Apr 2007 Posts: 3245 Location: Rochester, NH
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:01 am Post subject: |
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Glad to see even four years people still come across my old posts. Great find there, I'll see if I can find some time to read it, probably when it's slow at work. _________________
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Josseppe95
Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Posts: 1045 Location: Philadelphia
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:45 am Post subject: |
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I honestly don't understand why assisted suicide wouldn't be legal quite honestly. If someone doesn't wanna be alive, why would you force them to stay alive? Especially in cases of terminal illness, forcing a person to live out their days in suffering when they'd prefer not to is a lot more inhumane then just letting them die imo.
In cases of people that just would like to die but DON'T have terminal illnesses, I honestly dunno. Maybe there should be some 3 month period where there's mandatory psychological evaluation or something, but I don't see why it should be outlawed. _________________
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