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| this1neguy wrote: | Understandable from you, mr. Empathy >_> No, seriously, priorities are priorities, and you have yours in order. ...unlike some of us who get on ScoreHero first and THEN do homework. LIKE IT! You probably got better grades on stuff because you were doing schoolwork instead of posting here on SH, right? So enjoy it  |
I'm satisfied with my ordering of priorities and I did get good grades last quarter, but I'm not satisfied with my work ethic at times, which is where the guilt factor comes in. When I spend half the time I'm supposed to be using for schoolwork on random solitaire games, it takes time away from posting in everybody's threads and watching people stream. And I do feel bad about that.
| this1neguy wrote: | | Yessir. I never really tried to one-hand the first half; I used to be able to crazy flail the second part from second position but somehow lost that ability, so I went about learning to tap both parts since it seemed rather useless to just learn the easier part. I got sooo consistent and I really love tapping stuff too, it's fun; despite what Pieman may say, tapping can be done for business and pleasure >_> |
Indeed it can; in fact, part of the reason why I'm at least decently good at tapping right now is because a lot of the time in practice mode I'll tap random easier stuff just for fun while I'm waiting for the hard part to come. This helps me with transitions from one-handing to tapping (especially when the section has a lot of strums) and also increases my "tapping literacy"; i.e., how well I can look at a section and see a good way to tap it. Both of those skills have helped a lot when I find sections that actually need tapping.
| this1neguy wrote: | | I don't know that anyone goes after FCs like I do, I just play hard songs for fun >_> I downloaded FretsOnFire, on that note; I added a bunch of really hard songs so hopefully I'll get better at GH in that way. I don't think I've ever really said "Okay, I'm just gonna get all the easy FCs out of the way", it was always "I'm gonna work on hard stuff and if I don't get it I'll just go to an easier song to get it out of the way". I do have all the easy ones except for Story of My Life, on that note, I just really hate that song and can't be arsed to memorize the path; there are a lot of songs with as many activations that are WAY easier to remember (TTFAF path, for example, is easy) and I hate the song to boot. Your ranking is a lot better than mine for two reasons: 1) You're a way better squeezer than me (at least bnoth on expert, I'm probably about equal on hard sicne I'm moer used to speed/timing windows, and 2) you actually have all the songs input as well as having a couple of way higher scores (TWIE, TTL, KoC say hi). |
Well, however unorthodox your method it seems to be working out quite well for you (I'll get to your new FCs later)  . I actually don't think it's that weird though; a lot of people like to focus more on hard songs, to varying degrees of success as far as overall FC counts go. Part of the reason why I think this works for you is that when you're working on hard stuff, it helps a lot to have a way of mixing things up when you get stuck. Ramming your head up against a tough chart can get boring and frustrating, and if you have a way to combat that while still remaining productive it'll go a long way for you. You apparently go for somewhat easier songs when that happens, which not only helps in a completionist sense, it also can help with the frustration since at least you're hitting all the notes in something. Personally, I like to work on squeezing when I get stuck; it's fun and relaxing for me and it also provides a mood boost by FCing something easy. This explains why my scores are so good .
As for why your scores aren't right now, I can understand not wanting to spend time squeezing when you still are going for new FCs, but you should at least enter all your scores. It's almost impossible to figure out how you really stack up against everybody otherwise.
| this1neguy wrote: | | I don't know what kind of squeezer there is other than visual: I watch the ntoes, when they go by, I wait a second and then activate. I think that I'm, as you said, jsut not as used to squeezing on the high scroll speed; although I did get -4 ticks on Closer, so there's at least something, I have -4 ticks on Closer on Hard as well >_> I assume that as I play and redux more I'll get better at epert squeezing; it took me awhile to get good at hard squeezing, but since I have that down I should be able to translate it to expert without too much difficulty. |
I can think of a few squeezes that I hit rhythmically by listening to the song rather than by looking at the chart (the first one that came to mind is When You Were Young's first activation squeeze), but yeah, it's mostly visual. And I agree that you'll get there eventually with Expert, but not as long as you keep tearing up the FCs like this .
| this1neguy wrote: | | Also, is it just me or is the GHSH timing window HUGE? I've squeezed some activations just for fun and it seems like I can get ridiculous squeezes with very little worry of missing. |
I don't know; I've never really tried squeezing in Smash Hits. I know going all the way back to World Tour the timing window has seemed very loose from a visual standpoint, but given that Neversoft went on record as saying they were going to tighten things up a bit for that game I doubt that it's actually any looser. I know what they meant was just that they were removing the infinite front end for HO/POs, but I can't see them increasing the size of the timing window any more than it already was. Maybe it's just a graphics thing.
| this1neguy wrote: | | BOW BOW BOW, BOW BOW, buhduhduh duh duh duhduh >_> I really love that bass part. Plus I love RHCP. And it took me I think two tries to FC, not much grinding involved; most of the grinding I've done on this song was trying to get that damned PO squeeze in the hard solo activation. I can get the backend but that thing is just haaaaard. |
I actually don't know about that squeeze; Suck My Kiss was one of the last FCs I got before I started pathing really hard-core and trying to make every new score I got top 100. You're not the first to tell me that it's pretty tough, but I'd imagine I'll have a good time with that redux anyway once I get around with it just because of how fun the song is .
| this1neguy wrote: | | 50 is a really nice number except when it comes to age >_> I was really happy to get to 50, I thought it would take me forever back when I stopped playing for a while but evidently it just took two days of grinding a few easy songs and a couple of tougher ones. Cult of Personality is going to be one of my next couple; I use that EXACT SAME METHOD O_O and it works well for me too, I just have occasional inconsistency with the transition to the blue of the first quadzag becomes I tend to go down to yellow too fast. Other than that I'm consistent with most of that solo and just need to work on the second solo a bit; I don't tap much in it (just the oranges in the quadzag because it's so late in the solo that my hands are typically tired by there) which makes it tougher to grind as well as somewhat less consistent. I'm getting a 360 shipped right now so hopefully I'll be able to get back to work soon. |
I guess I'm not too surprised; that's certainly the most natural way of tapping Solo! for those of us that don't have very fast trill speed with our ring/pinky fingers. Really, the only problem I have with it at this point is that I tend to rush everything because the tapping method makes the 12 NPS section seem so slow that I feel like I couldn't possibly be doing enough to hit it .
Now the second solo…I have a LOT of problems there, beginning with the fact that there's at least three parts that I pretty much BS every time, continuing with the fact that my hands get tired from the speed and awkwardness of pretty much everything, and concluding with the fact that the blasted thing is SO LONG and has so many difficult parts that even if the first two weren't true I'd still have a devil of a time getting through all of it without missing.
| this1neguy wrote: | Weird part about this is that I'm consistent as all heck on that chord part [in Monsters] but I can't hit the   in Helicopter anymore. I don't get THAT at all. |
OH MY GOSH I thought that was just me  . Seriously, when Josh and I went after this in Co-op we had to switch me over to Rhythm (which is almost universally considered harder) simply because I could not hit that blasted chord switch to save my life. I remember having to go up to third there when I was reduxing it in single player, and even then it didn't really work; I just got lucky on a run and I was rock solid on everything else (including the Choppa).
| this1neguy wrote: | | They're not all that close in timing terms, I guess, but the stamina required to stay consistent throughout the entirety of KoC seems like it would allow you to just strum hyperfast for the short sections that are the Phazers. You might want to try my method on that: hold your arm out so that it's not touching the guitar and you have to reach inward to the strum bar; for some reason this allowed me to vibrate my arm and strum really, really fast...like, I could probably overstrum the Phazers easily that way. It's indeed not accuracy so much as: start on a downstrum, speed up when there are more than two of the same note in a row, end on an upstrum (or if you're like me, slow down at the end of Phazer II and end it on a thumb downstrum rather than a thumb/forefinger altstrum)...that's about the size of it. |
I can strum at (or near-ish ) 17 NPS for the duration of a Phazer; that's not the problem. I just would always miss somewhere random in the middle and usually once at the end no matter which direction I ended on. I guess that could have been a reflection of the fact that for a long time I really sucked at doublet strumming, but with GH3's timing window I doubt that was my only problem. I hope it is though; I'm a lot better at doublets now and I could get it in that case .
| this1neguy wrote: | If you consider more than just GH3, I'd say you have the tougher FC, but in GH3...well, yeah, DHB is ranked high on the breakdown, but it's not really a skill-based FC so much as a luck-based one. Iunno. Let's call it a draw for now  |
I'd have been willing to call it a draw then, but certainly not now  . Seriously, FIVE IN ONE DAY???? Simply insane, dude:
First of all, you got Rock You Like a Hurricane, which I still don't have. Not to get ahead of myself as far as responding to your stuff, but I think that sucker's Solo 3 is a lot worse than Cliff of Dover's One Last Solo. I've only hit it a few times in practice, and never in a real run. Plus, it's really annoying just to get there because of the first and (especially) second solos. Definitely one of your best FCs.
I agree that My Curse was probably way overdue, but it's still a really tricky song and like you said, the path is murder. My initial FC score was awful, and I had so much trouble with the redux that that probably took me longer than the first FC did.
Knights of Cydonia is, of course, a VERY good FC; one that gave me a bit of trouble, as you may recall…. For normal people, it's actually quite hard to get a run where your strumming speed and fretting precision are both feeling good enough to FC three crazy strumming sections and that insanely long and chokeable outro. Apparently you wouldn't know about that though :P. I'm not too mad though; after all, I did beat your score .
And then the big one . Cult of Personality goes beyond "good FCs" (of which you have many) and even "great FCs" (which you've been starting to pick up at a pretty good clip lately) into the realm of "freaking H4X FCs". I know I talked about this earlier, but I still want to reiterate just how insanely difficult it is to work out a good method for every single bit in that long solo and then get all those methods consistent enough to FC the entire thing in a single run. You were probably ahead of me before (RYLaH and DHB were definitely great FCs a cut above anything I had), but at least I had reasonable shots at everything you'd picked up that I hadn't. This, though, just completely blows me out of the water. Crazy-good job man.
Black Magic Woman is probably a bit of an anticlimax at this point, but it's still a darn good FC. That strumming crap is just plain weird, and there are a few other places to trip up (including, if you're a trivia kind of guy, the 28+ NPS quad that marks the fastest set of notes in the history of Guitar Hero), but I hope you'll forgive me for not being overly excited about that one at this point .
| this1neguy wrote: | | Indeed I loved not even thinking about missing anywhere. Like you said, knowing that you can get back to where you missed without too much trouble really grants a solid feel, and loving the song helps too. I didn't mind playing it six or seven times, because I liked listening to it that much (although Sun of Pearl and Anything are both REALLY good songs too, I downloaded a Sun of Pearl chart for FoF and it rocks). |
I've been back and forth on this, but I think I might have to give the nod to Anything over Impulse as my favorite by An Endless Sporadic. They're both GREAT songs though. I've only listened to Sun of Pearl once or twice, but I remember thinking it wasn't quite as good as the other two.
| this1neguy wrote: | | I THINK I hit 23, it may have been 21, who knows in the aftermath of that. I know I hit the one in Post Insanity and the ones in Rampaging Dragons...I dunno. Yeah, doing a LITTLE better in the strummy parts helps a lot since they're easy to get under SP so you can greatly increase a score just by keeping a 4x or an 8x through them. |
Exactly. That sort of thing probably wouldn't consciously register with you from run to run since you're still used to breaking combo a lot in the song, but holding a few extra combos in the strumming can and often will make a huge difference. That's how I got my five-star last year; my solo run actually wasn't that great but I had my best pre-Synth Death score ever due to hitting some of that stuff.
| this1neguy wrote: | | Smash Hits is fun because of the fact that everything old is new again. The charts are fun, and I loved seeing posts after that CfH(L) FC. I don't even know how I did it, people keep saying things and I'm just like "Idunnolol" >_> And yeah, NBAGT kinda seemed like it would be my best sightread FC but this is better by FAR. |
Yeah, for the most part I really like the Smash Hits charts. The engine is a little suspect with respect to some of the fast strumming and the slider sections, but overall the game is very fun. Plus it's a blast being able to use HO/POs in GH1 songs.
| this1neguy wrote: | | One Last Solo is the hardest outro solo that I can think of offhand. I don't know if you can consider Free Bird's outro an outro solo; I suppose Bark at the Moon's is an outro solo and what with having to strum it it's insane; but yeah, OLS is ridiculous. I hope I can use that luck to FC some cool stuff, although I know Brock wants me to just play Rock Band for to be co-op FCing hard stuff and taking over the rankings, but I won't forget GH3. |
Well, I already mentioned RYLaH, which I think is harder, but other than that there isn't much up to GH3. Free Bird's End Wankery is pretty easy if you can FC the rest of the song (those trips have already appeared once in Solo J) and I can't speak for Bark at the Moon because I don't play GH1 enough. However, all of those pale in comparison to the only un-FCed song in Guitar Hero right now; I don't know how familiar you are with GHVH, but if you don't know how I'm the One goes then watch this video and try not to crap your pants at the thought of attempting that 20 NPS outro solo with an FC on the line. Especially after hitting that 21+ NPS (nobody really knows exactly how fast it is) strumming solo in the middle  .
| this1neguy wrote: | | You, sir, are welcome Also, my responses are kinda rushed because my BMA teacher is bitching at me about doing this; I have a 102 in the class, why does she care what I do? But oh well, I think everything here is a pretty decent response. Unlike some people, I don't type out my responses in MS Word >_> |
I've been there; it does kinda bug me when teachers get offended when you don't pay attention if you clearly don't need to in order to do well in the class. As long as I'm not bothering anyone it's not like it really matters in the grand scheme of things.
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| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | I'm satisfied with my ordering of priorities and I did get good grades last quarter, but I'm not satisfied with my work ethic at times, which is where the guilt factor comes in. When I spend half the time I'm supposed to be using for schoolwork on random solitaire games, it takes time away from posting in everybody's threads and watching people stream. And I do feel bad about that. |
I'm pretty unsatisfied with my work ethic. Solution? I just stopped caring about my work. Problem solved. I do everything either in class or I just don't do it.
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| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | I'm satisfied with my ordering of priorities and I did get good grades last quarter, but I'm not satisfied with my work ethic at times, which is where the guilt factor comes in. When I spend half the time I'm supposed to be using for schoolwork on random solitaire games, it takes time away from posting in everybody's threads and watching people stream. And I do feel bad about that. |
Hey, man, I can be online, listening to music, and IMing and still get a 19-article annotated bibliography done in four days >_> I'm just good like that, though, I don't really have to prioritize my homework because a) I'm a senior and b) I have the ability to do homework quickly. Yes, it's bad to waste time on games on the computer, but honestly I think people can understand when you say "I'm doing homework" regardless of whether or not you actually are. Sure, I absolutely love hearing feedback from you about stuff and I'm sure everyone else whose pages you frequent do as well, but we’re almost all students so we very well understand what you’re dealing with.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | Indeed it can; in fact, part of the reason why I'm at least decently good at tapping right now is because a lot of the time in practice mode I'll tap random easier stuff just for fun while I'm waiting for the hard part to come. This helps me with transitions from one-handing to tapping (especially when the section has a lot of strums) and also increases my "tapping literacy"; i.e., how well I can look at a section and see a good way to tap it. Both of those skills have helped a lot when I find sections that actually need tapping. |
Haha, same for me. Every time I played Black Magic Woman solo 2 in practice I’d tap those stupid hammeron holds just for the fun of it, and I like to do that in random places I don’t really have to (the long trill in For The Love Of God, etc) just for the practice. Granted, I’m still not great at transitioning in faster sections (hence me not being able to link Devil Solos G and H in Revolution Deathsquad) but it still has made me better at what you call “tapping literacy”. I generally don’t tap all that much in songs (I think the only songs I’ve had to tap to FC have been RYLAH, Stricken, and Impulse [though I may be forgetting, point out stuff I should have added]) but when I need to it’s good to know I can.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | Well, however unorthodox your method it seems to be working out quite well for you (I'll get to your new FCs later) . I actually don't think it's that weird though; a lot of people like to focus more on hard songs, to varying degrees of success as far as overall FC counts go. Part of the reason why I think this works for you is that when you're working on hard stuff, it helps a lot to have a way of mixing things up when you get stuck. Ramming your head up against a tough chart can get boring and frustrating, and if you have a way to combat that while still remaining productive it'll go a long way for you. You apparently go for somewhat easier songs when that happens, which not only helps in a completionist sense, it also can help with the frustration since at least you're hitting all the notes in something. Personally, I like to work on squeezing when I get stuck; it's fun and relaxing for me and it also provides a mood boost by FCing something easy. This explains why my scores are so good .
As for why your scores aren't right now, I can understand not wanting to spend time squeezing when you still are going for new FCs, but you should at least enter all your scores. It's almost impossible to figure out how you really stack up against everybody otherwise. |
Yep, I’m really glad for the ability to FC harder songs before some of the easier ones; besides making me feel awesome and impressing people it also has made me a better player. And you’re pretty much exactly right regarding how this works for me. Since Monday I’ve been interspersing work on Cliffs of Dover, FCPREMIX, Holiday in Cambodia, and Take This Life with trying to improve a few scores (going for optimal on Sabotage and Cities on Flame as well as generally trying to improve some songs I didn’t path when I FCed). Though this doesn’t end with insanecrazy new ability, it does help with (as you said) the boost when I FC something with a good score (which hasn’t happened much yet, I’ve hit the second squeeze in School’s Out probably five times and the last one twice without getting it all in one run) and it also gets me in a mood where I can go back to working on a new FC.
Yeah, I know I should get my scores in, but I’m doing what I did with GH80sH: Not putting in scores until I FC a song. Sure it’s silly, but I can approximate scores to get an idea of where I’ll be when I FC the songs I should be able to.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | I can think of a few squeezes that I hit rhythmically by listening to the song rather than by looking at the chart (the first one that came to mind is When You Were Young's first activation squeeze), but yeah, it's mostly visual. And I agree that you'll get there eventually with Expert, but not as long as you keep tearing up the FCs like this . |
I don’t know I haven’t really paid attention to how I squeeze so much as whether or not I hit the squeeze, so I don’t exactly know what I do. And definitely When I get done with all the FCs I can get I’ll work exclusively on improving scores for a while.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | I don't know; I've never really tried squeezing in Smash Hits. I know going all the way back to World Tour the timing window has seemed very loose from a visual standpoint, but given that Neversoft went on record as saying they were going to tighten things up a bit for that game I doubt that it's actually any looser. I know what they meant was just that they were removing the infinite front end for HO/POs, but I can't see them increasing the size of the timing window any more than it already was. Maybe it's just a graphics thing. |
Hmm, good point, they said they made it tighter…I dunno though, something seems different. I think you may be onto something with your idea of the graphics having an effect, especially when you consider visual squeezing  I haven’t tried anything with a path, though, so I still can’t say for sure whether my idea is true at all.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | I actually don't know about that squeeze; Suck My Kiss was one of the last FCs I got before I started pathing really hard-core and trying to make every new score I got top 100. You're not the first to tell me that it's pretty tough, but I'd imagine I'll have a good time with that redux anyway once I get around with it just because of how fun the song is . |
It’s HARD. I mean, yeah, a bunch of people have gotten it (seeing as my -200+ticks score is down around 50th) but that doesn’t mean much. I don’t really know how to PO squeeze, though, which may have something to do with it. And I wish you good luck!
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | I guess I'm not too surprised; that's certainly the most natural way of tapping Solo! for those of us that don't have very fast trill speed with our ring/pinky fingers. Really, the only problem I have with it at this point is that I tend to rush everything because the tapping method makes the 12 NPS section seem so slow that I feel like I couldn't possibly be doing enough to hit it .
Now the second solo…I have a LOT of problems there, beginning with the fact that there's at least three parts that I pretty much BS every time, continuing with the fact that my hands get tired from the speed and awkwardness of pretty much everything, and concluding with the fact that the blasted thing is SO LONG and has so many difficult parts that even if the first two weren't true I'd still have a devil of a time getting through all of it without missing. |
As it turns out, I don’t tap the GR trill but I do tap the ascending trill and the first quick BOBOB trill. I don’t tap the ending trill because it’s comparatively easy. My main problem before I gained consistency was the scale after the ascending trill because I’d try to pull off too fast, but I solved that and ended up hitting it almost every time when trying for the FC (I think I only missed there once, compared to I think four times in Start/Keep Soloing.
The second solo confuses me because I’ve not had any trouble with it since I first started being able to hit it. I don’t BS it at all, really, and I only tap two things: The BYBYBY at the very beginning, and the oranges in the star power (which is covered) scale because by that point my left hand is getting tired. I don’t know what’s all that awkward in it outside of the GROGRB into that double blue strum; for some reason I just figured out how to hit everything without too much difficulty outside of missing due to nerves. I’m just hella lucky with that, I suppose.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | OH MY GOSH I thought that was just me . Seriously, when Josh and I went after this in Co-op we had to switch me over to Rhythm (which is almost universally considered harder) simply because I could not hit that blasted chord switch to save my life. I remember having to go up to third there when I was reduxing it in single player, and even then it didn't really work; I just got lucky on a run and I was rock solid on everything else (including the Choppa). |
AND I WAS WORRIED IT WAS JUST ME! I don’t have any idea what to do with it, to me it’s more awkward than Minus Celsius. I have no idea why, it’s really not that difficult because you can just hole down blue the entire time, but I had to pull the stare-at-hands trick to FC it. I soooo don’t get it. The Choppa part is easy by comparison.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | I can strum at (or near-ish ) 17 NPS for the duration of a Phazer; that's not the problem. I just would always miss somewhere random in the middle and usually once at the end no matter which direction I ended on. I guess that could have been a reflection of the fact that for a long time I really sucked at doublet strumming, but with GH3's timing window I doubt that was my only problem. I hope it is though; I'm a lot better at doublets now and I could get it in that case . |
Yeah, I suppose I should have figured it was accuracy rather than speed that was causing you trouble @_@ I tended to have trouble early on with the middle, but then I figured that out and started overstrumming the ends…I dunno. I don’t treat it as doublet strumming, for what that’s worth, I just strum at a constantly high speed (speeding up slightly for the greens and oranges in P1 and P2 respectively) and fret as best I can. I’m sure you can get it and will probably beat my score by actually activating on Phazer II instead of a measure early x_x’
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | I'd have been willing to call it a draw then, but certainly not now . Seriously, FIVE IN ONE DAY???? Simply insane, dude:
First of all, you got Rock You Like a Hurricane, which I still don't have. Not to get ahead of myself as far as responding to your stuff, but I think that sucker's Solo 3 is a lot worse than Cliff of Dover's One Last Solo. I've only hit it a few times in practice, and never in a real run. Plus, it's really annoying just to get there because of the first and (especially) second solos. Definitely one of your best FCs. |
I've been thinking: Would you be interested in a friendly GH3X rivalry? We both try to get more FCs, and I try and improve my rank as well. Nothing major, just a little something to give both of use more GH3 motivation. I know you've been working on GH2 a lot lately, so it's no problem if you're not intrigued.
I wanted at least one that you don’t have >_> No, really, I just worked my ass off at Solo 3 and got lucky in a real run. Solo 3 and One Last Solo … well, one of them gives me huge nerve issues because it’s the third of three rough parts in a song (ISB, Solo C, and OLS) whereas the other is the only really hard part of the song in which it is present. I do think that technically speaking Solo 3 is harder, but for an FC run One Last Solo is a lot easier to choke on (as I’ve done I think 6 times now ).
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | I agree that My Curse was probably way overdue, but it's still a really tricky song and like you said, the path is murder. My initial FC score was awful, and I had so much trouble with the redux that that probably took me longer than the first FC did. |
Yep, no disagreement with your agreement >_> Honestly there shouldn’t be anything in it giving me as much trouble as the intro through Chorus I did; for some reason I sucked at the doublet-to-pulloff parts. It was more the path, ugh. I will hate reduxing it. So much.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | Knights of Cydonia is, of course, a VERY good FC; one that gave me a bit of trouble, as you may recall…. For normal people, it's actually quite hard to get a run where your strumming speed and fretting precision are both feeling good enough to FC three crazy strumming sections and that insanely long and chokeable outro. Apparently you wouldn't know about that though :P. I'm not too mad though; after all, I did beat your score . |
Haha, thanks. And yes, I do well recall >_> For normal people, the man says, as if I were normal. I never had any trouble with Galloping Rampage or whatever the part where it repeats is called. I had a little bit of trouble with Breakneck Desperado, although not nearly as much as I would have expected for whatever reason. And haha, the outro…I didn’t miss there at all. It’s honestly probably easier on expert than hard because the notes are spaced out better. Oh, and I wouldn’t be so sure of your score yet, I can always redux it and activate better on the second act.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | And then the big one . Cult of Personality goes beyond "good FCs" (of which you have many) and even "great FCs" (which you've been starting to pick up at a pretty good clip lately) into the realm of "freaking H4X FCs". I know I talked about this earlier, but I still want to reiterate just how insanely difficult it is to work out a good method for every single bit in that long solo and then get all those methods consistent enough to FC the entire thing in a single run. You were probably ahead of me before (RYLaH and DHB were definitely great FCs a cut above anything I had), but at least I had reasonable shots at everything you'd picked up that I hadn't. This, though, just completely blows me out of the water. Crazy-good job man. |
Hahaha, great descriptions of the level of FCs. Freaking h4x most people would call it, I guess, I just … don’t. Insanely difficult to work out a good method? I dunno. I only had trouble with a method for Solo!, the other parts I just mentally figured out and kept them solid. I really, really don’t want to sound condescending at any point in this post, but that’s honestly all it was for me, and I wish I understood how that was possible so I could FC some more insane stuff. Oh, but honestly, you have the ability to FC this, I’m positive. I mean, I can always give you help with it if needed, and I can serve as a motivator as well. You shouldn’t be too unhappy, because like I said you can definitely get this FC with a bit of work.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | Black Magic Woman is probably a bit of an anticlimax at this point, but it's still a darn good FC. That strumming crap is just plain weird, and there are a few other places to trip up (including, if you're a trivia kind of guy, the 28+ NPS quad that marks the fastest set of notes in the history of Guitar Hero), but I hope you'll forgive me for not being overly excited about that one at this point . |
I was disappointed not to be able to get Cliffs of Dover or Take This Life as the true climax and FC #60 that night, but I’m happy enough to end with this. For one, I’ve always loved Santana (my first concert was a Santana show at DTE \m/, and I have fond memories of listening to “Smooth” before every AYSO and indoor soccer game I played when I was younger), and for two that strumming crap is ridiculous. Oh, and I’m well aware of that one scale, I just didn’t let that number get to me because I figured “It’s just four notes on the GH3 timing window” and didn’t worry about it.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | I've been back and forth on this, but I think I might have to give the nod to Anything over Impulse as my favorite by An Endless Sporadic. They're both GREAT songs though. I've only listened to Sun of Pearl once or twice, but I remember thinking it wasn't quite as good as the other two. |
It’s a tough call for me as well. I’ve over-listened to Impulse and Anything because they’re both in games, whereas Sun of Pearl is always pretty fresh to me. They are all somewhat similar in their variance (compare Indescribably Beautiful Solo to the green strumming part; that sort of thing is present in all of their songs), but there’s always something different, which I really appreciate. If you like these songs this much, by the way, may I suggest the fantastic Tree, Swallows, Houses by Maps & Atlases? I don’t know if you would have heard of that, but their guitar work and upbeat nature (especially on “Everyplace is a House” and “The Most Trustworthy Tin Cans”) is somewhat similar in composition to parts of songs by AES.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | Exactly. That sort of thing probably wouldn't consciously register with you from run to run since you're still used to breaking combo a lot in the song, but holding a few extra combos in the strumming can and often will make a huge difference. That's how I got my five-star last year; my solo run actually wasn't that great but I had my best pre-Synth Death score ever due to hitting some of that stuff. |
It’s weird, too: I hadn’t 5*ed TTFAF since my initial five-star, and yet the last two times I’ve played it I’ve gotten 606k and 608k. Also, I’m holding considerably better combos in Post Insanity I & II as well as Grinding Scales (I figured out the hammerons there) and I can consistently get above 90% on Herman’s Solo one handed, which is cool for me). I’m still missing in a lot of places that I really shouldn’t be, but the little improvements in my strumming ability throughout the song are really making a difference.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | Yeah, for the most part I really like the Smash Hits charts. The engine is a little suspect with respect to some of the fast strumming and the slider sections, but overall the game is very fun. Plus it's a blast being able to use HO/POs in GH1 songs. |
I like the charts, but I have realized I have the same issue as you do. The slide sections can be kind of strange, and some fast strumming is weird (not as bad as GH5 with its stupid ghost note that actually hurts me) but as you said it’s great for the GHI charts. GH2 and GH80s and GH3 can stay where they are, but it’s really playing GH1 songs with a better timing window and working HOPOs that draws me into this game. Plus GHI had a GREAT track listing, which is sadly underrepresented in the loss of the bonus songs (Decontrol, All of This, and Cheat on the Church come immediately to mind as songs that would be AMAZINGF on a better engine). Nonetheless, it’s a fun game.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | Well, I already mentioned RYLaH, which I think is harder, but other than that there isn't much up to GH3. Free Bird's End Wankery is pretty easy if you can FC the rest of the song (those trips have already appeared once in Solo J) and I can't speak for Bark at the Moon because I don't play GH1 enough. However, all of those pale in comparison to the only un-FCed song in Guitar Hero right now; I don't know how familiar you are with GHVH, but if you don't know how I'm the One goes then watch this video and try not to crap your pants at the thought of attempting that 20 NPS outro solo with an FC on the line. Especially after hitting that 21+ NPS (nobody really knows exactly how fast it is) strumming solo in the middle . |
RYLAH solo 3 is, as discussed, insane, and I agree with you regarding Free Bird End Wankery to a point. However, what makes these two parts harder than they truly are (especially true with Free Bird) is the first time FCing to them. I haven’t come close to this on Free Bird, but imagining FCing so much of that song and then coming to the end and seeing a bunch of triplets you have to FC still is a tough thing to do. Bark At The Moon is hard because it’s GHI; they’re merely BYBYR, YRYRG, etc, with a slightly tough fill as well, but having to strum that whole thing is a difficult proposal.
Also, holy FFFFFFFF! I knew Marbler had -1’ed that song numerous times as well as having that outro choke, and I’d seen the strumming solo, but holy shit at that outro. I can’t imagine getting even close to that FC, let alone hitting any part of that solo or outro ever…wow.
| zsjostrom35 wrote: | | I’ve been there; it does kinda bug me when teachers get offended when you don't pay attention if you clearly don't need to in order to do well in the class. As long as I'm not bothering anyone it's not like it really matters in the grand scheme of things. |
Worst thing about that class is the fact that the teacher can lock computers. But mine is off the system. But I sit alone (hence the computer being unaffected) so she can easily see if my monitor is still on  As such, this response typed at home. And I definitely agree with you, I hate when teachers give you grief for things that aren’t your fault. Like an old one of mine: We had a sub one day in my sophomore health class, and we got your basic erad-section-take-notes-and-write-vocab busywork because of that. I finished mine very rapidly because it was a simple question, so after I finished I was just sitting, listening to some music on my iPod. [random switch to present tense for no reason] The sub comes over and asks why I’m not doing anything. I say I already finished the reading and notes, and she responds “You can’t have finished that so fast!”. EFFING FACEPALM. I calmly get out my notebook and show her the completed work, and she walks back over to her desk. Message: Regardless of whether I’m actually done (which of course I was), I clearly wasn’t disrupting class by sitting quietly listening to music, so why bother? Oy, teachers. *throws up hands*
Fun times today in Microbiology, too: We had a presentation for which we had a PowerPoint and printed handouts from which to read and discuss an infectious disease, as well as a rubric to turn in. I was done with mine but hadn’t stapled it together, so I went over to ask the teacher if I needed to do so. She stops me mid-question and says “Stop being nosy” as if I’m somehow asking a girl that was standing there some sort of incredibly nosy question. I don’t get it at all. Can anyone explain?
Oh, and success is getting straight A’s and for doing so getting Left 4 Dead 2 I’m at all A’s right now, so go me.
Yay for random life occurrences in a Guitar Hero post? >_> 4348 words, by the way. Holy long posts in response to one post, Batman!
EDIT: Note to anyone using MS Word 2007 to write posts, Word quotation marks are not the same as ScoreHero quotation marks. I just had a superswell time backspacing and inserting quotation marks in every quote here
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| this1neguy wrote: | | Hey, man, I can be online, listening to music, and IMing and still get a 19-article annotated bibliography done in four days >_> I'm just good like that, though, I don't really have to prioritize my homework because a) I'm a senior and b) I have the ability to do homework quickly. Yes, it's bad to waste time on games on the computer, but honestly I think people can understand when you say "I'm doing homework" regardless of whether or not you actually are. Sure, I absolutely love hearing feedback from you about stuff and I'm sure everyone else whose pages you frequent do as well, but we’re almost all students so we very well understand what you’re dealing with. |
Yeah, I think I must have been out sick the day in school where they taught us how to multitask like that. I am more…how you say…easily distracted . And it's not that I don't believe you when you say that people will understand when that happens, it's just that I still feel bad about it.
| this1neguy wrote: | | Haha, same for me. Every time I played Black Magic Woman solo 2 in practice I’d tap those stupid hammeron holds just for the fun of it, and I like to do that in random places I don’t really have to (the long trill in For The Love Of God, etc) just for the practice. Granted, I’m still not great at transitioning in faster sections (hence me not being able to link Devil Solos G and H in Revolution Deathsquad) but it still has made me better at what you call “tapping literacy”. I generally don’t tap all that much in songs (I think the only songs I’ve had to tap to FC have been RYLAH, Stricken, and Impulse [though I may be forgetting, point out stuff I should have added]) but when I need to it’s good to know I can. |
Well, you DEFINITELY forgot Cult of Personality (not sure how you managed that, seeing as it's your best FC and all); I don't know about anything else in particular. And I agree with your last sentence there; a big part of tapping is just having the confidence in your own abilities just to get your strumming hand up there and try it when you see a method that you think might work. It may not end up being a method that you actually use, but when it does you've gained something. Without that confidence, if you tap at all it'll only be with rigidly defined methods that you don't think to adapt at all to fit your own skill set and only when absolutely nothing else works. In particular, you never tap just for convenience; a lot of what I tap is just in sections where I was playing around with different ways to hit something and stumbled across a tapping method that ended up making the section easier. It wasn't that I couldn't hit it one-handed; it's just that tapping was easier.
| this1neguy wrote: | | Yep, I’m really glad for the ability to FC harder songs before some of the easier ones; besides making me feel awesome and impressing people it also has made me a better player. And you’re pretty much exactly right regarding how this works for me. Since Monday I’ve been interspersing work on Cliffs of Dover, FCPREMIX, Holiday in Cambodia, and Take This Life with trying to improve a few scores (going for optimal on Sabotage and Cities on Flame as well as generally trying to improve some songs I didn’t path when I FCed). Though this doesn’t end with insanecrazy new ability, it does help with (as you said) the boost when I FC something with a good score (which hasn’t happened much yet, I’ve hit the second squeeze in School’s Out probably five times and the last one twice without getting it all in one run) and it also gets me in a mood where I can go back to working on a new FC. |
Well, I obviously can't guarantee that that strategy will work, since we're different players with different styles, but it's what's been most effective for me in the long run and it's nice to see that it's working out for you so far. Not that you need to be taking advice from me on how to get GH3 FCs .
Also, that last School's Out squeeze can go die  . I've gotten to the point where I could hit the second activation over half the time, but I've still never gotten within ticks of optimal. I just HATE quick little strum-HO/PO front ends like that; as often as not I'll miss the strum note with the SP entirely, and when I don't I either get a terrible front end or I miss. It's very frustrating.
| this1neguy wrote: | | Yeah, I know I should get my scores in, but I’m doing what I did with GH80sH: Not putting in scores until I FC a song. Sure it’s silly, but I can approximate scores to get an idea of where I’ll be when I FC the songs I should be able to. |
I'm sure you can, but it's not as accurate and it really doesn't save you that much time (it's pretty easy to enter a score ). And besides, nobody else is able to compare themselves to you when you do it this way, which kinda takes some of the fun out of the massive score-tracking abilities of this site.
| this1neguy wrote: | | Hmm, good point, they said they made it tighter…I dunno though, something seems different. I think you may be onto something with your idea of the graphics having an effect, especially when you consider visual squeezing I haven’t tried anything with a path, though, so I still can’t say for sure whether my idea is true at all. |
Now that I think about it, I remember some Neversoft employee going on record as saying that apart from the sliders (which he admitted had some problems), the World Tour engine was in fact identical to Aerosmith's. This surprised me, since WT felt different from GHA albeit in some vague, undefined way. That would support the idea that it's a graphics thing. Now, I don't know for sure how much the engine changed between then and Smash Hits, but other than that fast strumming seems to be harder I haven't noticed much.
| this1neguy wrote: | | It’s HARD. I mean, yeah, a bunch of people have gotten it (seeing as my -200+ticks score is down around 50th) but that doesn’t mean much. I don’t really know how to PO squeeze, though, which may have something to do with it. And I wish you good luck! |
The front end is a pull-off squeeze?  Yikes…I've been getting a little better at those recently (as evidenced by that one I hit in SoYL that got me Wii 1st), but they're still very difficult. I can't imagine trying to do one precisely enough to get a perfect back end in that chord stream. So yeah, thanks; I'm gonna need it…
| this1neguy wrote: | | As it turns out, I don’t tap the GR trill but I do tap the ascending trill and the first quick BOBOB trill. I don’t tap the ending trill because it’s comparatively easy. My main problem before I gained consistency was the scale after the ascending trill because I’d try to pull off too fast, but I solved that and ended up hitting it almost every time when trying for the FC (I think I only missed there once, compared to I think four times in Start/Keep Soloing. |
I don't tap the GR trill either, but I do tap the ending trills; probably because my hand's already up there and I don't like one-handing trills that change notes like that when I don't have to. Since you can spam away on trills in GH3, it's very easy with tapping.
| this1neguy wrote: | | The second solo confuses me because I’ve not had any trouble with it since I first started being able to hit it. I don’t BS it at all, really, and I only tap two things: The BYBYBY at the very beginning, and the oranges in the star power (which is covered) scale because by that point my left hand is getting tired. I don’t know what’s all that awkward in it outside of the GROGRB into that double blue strum; for some reason I just figured out how to hit everything without too much difficulty outside of missing due to nerves. I’m just hella lucky with that, I suppose. |
More power to you, I guess; I just have never had the pinky strength or coordination to do most of this solo, especially the first couple bits of Keep Soloing!. That said, I have heard from more people than just you that this solo is one of those things that actually gets somewhat easy once you start hitting it, so maybe that's what you experienced. Unfortunately for me, I'm not there yet, so I just have to muddle around and try not to screw up too many of the medium-hard parts and hope for a miracle on the truly awkward stuff (I'd add the end of KS! to the bit you mentioned in SS! as a member of that list).
| this1neguy wrote: | | Yeah, I suppose I should have figured it was accuracy rather than speed that was causing you trouble @_@ I tended to have trouble early on with the middle, but then I figured that out and started overstrumming the ends…I dunno. I don’t treat it as doublet strumming, for what that’s worth, I just strum at a constantly high speed (speeding up slightly for the greens and oranges in P1 and P2 respectively) and fret as best I can. I’m sure you can get it and will probably beat my score by actually activating on Phazer II instead of a measure early x_x’ |
I figured you probably didn't, since if you can do doublet strumming that fast with any kind of control you might as well start working on Ballroom Blitz, but I hoped, at least. Strumming fast and fretting approximately right is basically all I try to do as well; I guess you're just better at it than I am. Although yes, I will beat your score if I do FC it; I may not activate right on Phazer II but I only go a note early rather than a measure .
| this1neguy wrote: | | I've been thinking: Would you be interested in a friendly GH3X rivalry? We both try to get more FCs, and I try and improve my rank as well. Nothing major, just a little something to give both of use more GH3 motivation. I know you've been working on GH2 a lot lately, so it's no problem if you're not intrigued. |
If it weren't for GH2 I'd definitely be up for it, but I'm still pretty busy there right now. That does sound like fun though; I'll let you know if I burn out on GH2 or otherwise change my mind.
| this1neguy wrote: | | I wanted at least one that you don’t have >_> No, really, I just worked my ass off at Solo 3 and got lucky in a real run. Solo 3 and One Last Solo … well, one of them gives me huge nerve issues because it’s the third of three rough parts in a song (ISB, Solo C, and OLS) whereas the other is the only really hard part of the song in which it is present. I do think that technically speaking Solo 3 is harder, but for an FC run One Last Solo is a lot easier to choke on (as I’ve done I think 6 times now ). |
I see where you're coming from, but I'd still say that even with an FC on the line of both I'd still be more likely to miss RYLaH Solo 3 than CoD OLS. For starters, the rest of RYLaH isn't exactly as trivial as you make it out to be (or at least it isn't for me; I'm only about 60-40 or so on Solo 2) and so there are some extra nerves associated with Solo 3 than would be present if the rest of the song was REALLY easy. For another, OLS just isn't that hard in comparison. Yeah, it's tricky and somewhat fast, but that really quick trill blip followed by a strum and another short trill in RYLaH is structured it such a way that really limits you to only a few methods, none of which are easy at all to pull off. OLS is made hard by circumstance; Solo 3 needs none.
| this1neguy wrote: | | Yep, no disagreement with your agreement >_> Honestly there shouldn’t be anything in it giving me as much trouble as the intro through Chorus I did; for some reason I sucked at the doublet-to-pulloff parts. It was more the path, ugh. I will hate reduxing it. So much. |
Just a couple little tips that I discovered while banging my own head up against the My Curse redux wall: don't be afraid to change up methods and use the HO/POs everywhere. Mental blocks form at ridiculous speeds in this song, and there were many times where I had to switch my fingering for no reason other than to try something—ANYTHING—different. Using the HO/POs (if you don't already) is just for your own sanity; it's far too easy to miss for legitimate reasons in this song to give the engine any chance to screw you over.
| this1neguy wrote: | | Haha, thanks. And yes, I do well recall >_> For normal people, the man says, as if I were normal. I never had any trouble with Galloping Rampage or whatever the part where it repeats is called. I had a little bit of trouble with Breakneck Desperado, although not nearly as much as I would have expected for whatever reason. And haha, the outro…I didn’t miss there at all. It’s honestly probably easier on expert than hard because the notes are spaced out better. Oh, and I wouldn’t be so sure of your score yet, I can always redux it and activate better on the second act. |
Honestly, I still think that the harder half of that song comes after Hastening Pursuit; I had so much trouble with those Metal Battleground sections it wasn't even funny. That's why I was so surprised to get it as quickly as I did on the night I FCed it; it wasn't that I hit the fast strumming, it was that I FCed out from there.
As for beating my score, all I'm saying is you'd better bring your A game on the second and third activations . I got the single squeezes in both, which is not as easy as it sounds given how fast that strumming is. Now, if you want to start double squeezing there, be my guest and you can have that top 15 rank.
| this1neguy wrote: | | Hahaha, great descriptions of the level of FCs. Freaking h4x most people would call it, I guess, I just … don’t. Insanely difficult to work out a good method? I dunno. I only had trouble with a method for Solo!, the other parts I just mentally figured out and kept them solid. I really, really don’t want to sound condescending at any point in this post, but that’s honestly all it was for me, and I wish I understood how that was possible so I could FC some more insane stuff. Oh, but honestly, you have the ability to FC this, I’m positive. I mean, I can always give you help with it if needed, and I can serve as a motivator as well. You shouldn’t be too unhappy, because like I said you can definitely get this FC with a bit of work. |
Look, I only have my own perspective on this, and what I personally have found in CoP is a song so ridiculously hard that no matter how much time I've spent on it I'm still only barely able to hit the individual parts of each section, let alone all of them in the same run. Solo! was by FAR the easiest section for me to figure out; everything else is just a mess at this point. And don't worry, I don't feel condescended to; I just feel like I'm talking to a guy who's a heck of a lot better than I am at GH3 right now . I don't know, maybe I'll come back to this after all this GH2 and it'll seem easier, but with my current knowledge of my GH3 skills I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I won't be able to get it for a LONG time, if ever.
| this1neguy wrote: | | I was disappointed not to be able to get Cliffs of Dover or Take This Life as the true climax and FC #60 that night, but I’m happy enough to end with this. For one, I’ve always loved Santana (my first concert was a Santana show at DTE \m/, and I have fond memories of listening to “Smooth” before every AYSO and indoor soccer game I played when I was younger), and for two that strumming crap is ridiculous. Oh, and I’m well aware of that one scale, I just didn’t let that number get to me because I figured “It’s just four notes on the GH3 timing window” and didn’t worry about it. |
That's pretty awesome; I can't say that I've heard a lot of Santana, but the songs he's had in Guitar Hero thus far have been great in my opinion. And I wasn't intended to knock that BMW FC at all; the problem is simply that there's not a whole lot you could have done to follow up CoP FC without it paling in comparison. Fortunately, you still have the #60 milestone reserved for epicness, and I think you'll get it soon.
| this1neguy wrote: | | It’s a tough call for me as well. I’ve over-listened to Impulse and Anything because they’re both in games, whereas Sun of Pearl is always pretty fresh to me. They are all somewhat similar in their variance (compare Indescribably Beautiful Solo to the green strumming part; that sort of thing is present in all of their songs), but there’s always something different, which I really appreciate. If you like these songs this much, by the way, may I suggest the fantastic Tree, Swallows, Houses by Maps & Atlases? I don’t know if you would have heard of that, but their guitar work and upbeat nature (especially on “Everyplace is a House” and “The Most Trustworthy Tin Cans”) is somewhat similar in composition to parts of songs by AES. |
Those are some goofy songs, to be sure  . I did notice the similarity to AES in the instrumentation, but I'm not a big fan of the vocalist.
| this1neguy wrote: | | It’s weird, too: I hadn’t 5*ed TTFAF since my initial five-star, and yet the last two times I’ve played it I’ve gotten 606k and 608k. Also, I’m holding considerably better combos in Post Insanity I & II as well as Grinding Scales (I figured out the hammerons there) and I can consistently get above 90% on Herman’s Solo one handed, which is cool for me). I’m still missing in a lot of places that I really shouldn’t be, but the little improvements in my strumming ability throughout the song are really making a difference. |
I'm pretty sure I haven't broken like 520k since my five-star run of the song (not that I've played it a whole lot); whatever strumming ability graced my arm that night certainly hasn't come back any time since. Really, that's probably the biggest part of why I can't stand playing the song; I almost feel like if I could still hit that stuff I'd think it would be worth it to try and work out some of the solo fills to try to break 600k, but without being able to hit the strumming there is literally no point from a scoring standpoint to play the song ever again. It's just an exercise in futility, or at least I think it is (which comes to the same since I'm not going to play the song).
| this1neguy wrote: | | I like the charts, but I have realized I have the same issue as you do. The slide sections can be kind of strange, and some fast strumming is weird (not as bad as GH5 with its stupid ghost note that actually hurts me) but as you said it’s great for the GHI charts. GH2 and GH80s and GH3 can stay where they are, but it’s really playing GH1 songs with a better timing window and working HOPOs that draws me into this game. Plus GHI had a GREAT track listing, which is sadly underrepresented in the loss of the bonus songs (Decontrol, All of This, and Cheat on the Church come immediately to mind as songs that would be AMAZINGF on a better engine). Nonetheless, it’s a fun game. |
Well, Bonus Songs as a whole were probably not going to make it into a game based on the most famous and well-liked songs, especially not ones whose members worked for a rival developer (the obvious exception, of course, being TtFaF for its legendary difficulty and role in helping GH3 explode into the mainstream). I'm not particularly happy about this (All of This and Cheat on the Church are among my favorite GH songs ever), but that's the reality of it. And I also like the GH2/80s stuff; unlike you I don't have access to 80s and the recharting/master tracks on the GH2 stuff combined with a different engine makes it a very different experience on some songs.
| this1neguy wrote: | | RYLAH solo 3 is, as discussed, insane, and I agree with you regarding Free Bird End Wankery to a point. However, what makes these two parts harder than they truly are (especially true with Free Bird) is the first time FCing to them. I haven’t come close to this on Free Bird, but imagining FCing so much of that song and then coming to the end and seeing a bunch of triplets you have to FC still is a tough thing to do. Bark At The Moon is hard because it’s GHI; they’re merely BYBYR, YRYRG, etc, with a slightly tough fill as well, but having to strum that whole thing is a difficult proposal. |
To be honest, my view on Free Bird is probably a little skewed since I managed to FC the entire song the first time I made it out of Solo J, but even so I wasn't even really that nervous heading into End Wankery. I had simply made it a point to practice that section enough times that I knew I could hit it almost without thinking, and I did just that. Plus, it's hard to get overly worked up over a set of trips that are essentially identical to ones that you've already FCed in the song, except the transition into them is easier. Bark at the Moon I would think has the same sort of thing going on even though that particular pattern doesn't show up anywhere else. If you're good enough with the GH1 engine to FC that absurd solo, you can hit the outro.
| this1neguy wrote: | | Also, holy FFFFFFFF! I knew Marbler had -1’ed that song numerous times as well as having that outro choke, and I’d seen the strumming solo, but holy shit at that outro. I can’t imagine getting even close to that FC, let alone hitting any part of that solo or outro ever…wow. |
Yeah…made me even more shocked when I saw him hit it on stream for his FC . I mean, I'd heard him say that he felt good about it and I'd seen him hit it a couple times in practice, but it's still absolutely jaw-dropping just to behold the sheer speed of that blur of notes and see a guy hit it when you've gotta figure he's almost puking his guts out. Probably the most impressive thing I've ever seen live.
| this1neguy wrote: | | *School stories* |
I think you're gonna like college . I can't promise that you won't have to deal with stupid assignments anymore, but you definitely won't have professors that annoying and caring that unreasonably much about what you do with your time.
| this1neguy wrote: | | EDIT: Note to anyone using MS Word 2007 to write posts, Word quotation marks are not the same as ScoreHero quotation marks. I just had a superswell time backspacing and inserting quotation marks in every quote here |
Actually, if you go into the formatting tab of Autocorrect options, you can turn off "smart quotes" and it'll give you the same type of quotation marks as ScoreHero. Saves a lot of time .
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Well, this is it. The big "3-0-0-0". Something of a milestone, for sure, and since I didn't make any huge post for Freebird I suppose I should at least do it for this. I'm going to start off with the coolest thing I've done in GH recently:
FC number 60!!! This is an FC that has a really long backstory. Back in the days when I first started seriously playing expert, this was one of the songs that I could somehow get by and do decently on; one of my earliest YouTube videos was a hands vid of One Last Solo. Too, it has been my favorite song in the game from the get-go. However, for a very long time I couldn't hit Intro Solo B or Solo D, and so I didn't have the FC even close then. Some time later, I learned to hit Intro Solo B; that must be the better part of a year, if not more so, ago. Of course, little did I know how long it would take to put the whole song together. I never really got down any of the hardest parts all that time ago, so it got sadly placed on the back burner. Fast forward to November, when I started playing pretty seriously and going for a number of expert FCs. I figured out Intro Solo B and Solo D, but had a hell of a time with One Last Solo. I practiced and practiced, figuring I'd get consistent on it. Well, around ten chokes on that section had different ideas. Once, I had a 1237 note streak choke, after which I went into practice mode and FCed it 15 times in a row. As someone pointed out, this was essentially just self-punishment at that point. For the last month or two I've been working on FCs 50 onward, and this was one of them, but it took until Wednesday afternoon to get it. This was my first try of that day getting through Intro Solo B with an FC, and I somehow managed to make it through. I freaked. It's a really good thing no one was home, because my reaction was pretty loud. I couldn't believe the streak of chokes had ended and I had finally gotten the FC. It was a great feeling, probably the best I've had: FCing my favorite song and chart, and as that second-most-epic FC, #60. A huge milestone.
But my day didn't end there. I had plans to attend the Pistons game, and I was supposed to leave at 5:30. But my friend who was driving left his oven on, so he ended up being half an hour late. When he told me he was going to be late, I headed back downstairs to the 360 and decided I was going to pour the remaining time into one of two songs: Take This Life or The Number of the Beast. I worked on the latter a bit, but was having a great deal of trouble with Solo1, so I moved on. One run later, and it happened.
Take This Life, GH3X FC #61!
I don't know how this happened. I figured out the chord fills at the ends of the verse trills and the choruses thanks to two individuals (to be named later) and was scarily consistent everywhere else. I don't really know what else to say as this was fairly unexpected: despite my ability to get it, something was holding me back. So definitely thanks to my friend Nick for being late.
Wow. 61 FCs. Not long ago I thought I was going to be stuck below 50 forever, and somehow I've gotten 54 through 61 in about a month. It's a testament to my lack of homework every night as well as the amazing amount of encouragement I've had from all of my friends here.
Looking back on my time here at ScoreHero gives me a really intriguing timeline for myself. There were early days of this thread in which I didn't respond to people, only played on hard, wasn't a great squeezer; I really didn't have a lot going for me as a player. But in the days that were 2008, it didn't matter. Users here were willing to post and help out a lot more in the days of four games, which is something I really miss now that there are so many games and so many new amazing players. It's really hard to just go into random accomplishments threads and get to know people because everyone has so much going for them. Whether it's the new vocalist who just FGFCed Smash Hits, that drummer who FCed some cool song, the guitarist who pops out of nowhere with a TTFAF FC; everyone has done something special, and to post in one thread is to ignore hundreds of others. There's a reason I post so sparingly in this forum: I stay within the comfortable realms of my friends' threads, because I know what they're up to, I know what their abilities and difficulties are, I know their personalities. It's a great feeling that's been sadly lost in the huge expansion of the userbase.
However, that's not all a bad thing. With new people comes so much more: New insights, new techniques, and new opinions, all are brought here by the thousands of new users we see every month. There are some places this can be an issue - +1 posts in this forum, new questions because people don't take the time to read the stickies, etc - but there is also so much good that it begins to be balanced out. Which is really what keeps me coming back to this site: Seeing the new things that are posted every day, being able to share opinions, being able to help individuals out, seeing people progress; it's just a great feeling being part of such an amazing community.
Then there's the comings and goings. I remember some users who I became friendly with who I never see around, but then I look and see a new "face" that I end up being great friends with. It's fascinating. This is especially true with the mods - those like emptyset, who have been here since I joined, leaving the ranks, while new ones such as footballtom, psx, woozerkristen, et al, take their places. There's been sadness in the departure of mods - users before my time reminisce about the days of Riz, while those of my generation miss Armageddon, and everyone misses Matt. But then, of course, there's the yin to this yang: New mods bring new opinions on where the site should be headed, new outlooks on rules, and more. Sure, other users might not always agree, but in the end there's always improvement.
So, in the end, ScoreHero as a whole has truly improved, and will continue to do so - I know it. A poet named Isaac Maliya wrote it well.
| 'Time is Time' wrote: | Time sits
Time stands
Time is time.
Time crawls
Time walks
Time is time.
Time runs
Time flies
Time is time.
Time changes
Time stands-still
Time is time.
Time goes forward
Time goes backward
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This is true, on all levels.
To end, I'd like to take a minute and thank some of the users I know who have made this site just that little bit more special for me. Some of this may sound like I'm leaving; I'm not, it's just how I word things.
The old-timers - skinnywhitecomic, blakstang98, WildcatTennis. You were there when I first started out here, giving encouragement, advice, and friendship early on. You probably won't read this, though. None of you are around as much as you used to be - I know that SKW has had some issues in his life, support goes to him; blakstang has happily been back a bit more lately, and Wildcat seems to be gone for good - but your memory remains in the early pages of this thread.
The Michigan crew - mgoblue3296, Chubbly457, Prognostics, and Fug. My home-state friends, you've been awesomely fun to chat with, whether here, by text, via Facebook, or at a tennis tournament. Sure, maybe two, possibly three, in the best circumstance four of you will read this, but still, you deserve some words. David - I loved hanging with you at tennis tournaments this past summer and playing World Tour at your house, as well as talking to you whenever we chat. Chris, you set the bar incredibly high for Guitar Hero players, and I envy you your combination of musical and Guitar Hero abilities. Matt, we've had our differences, I think they're largely behind us, and it's always interesting to hear your point of view on topics that range from bowling to movies to girls. (Oh, and since you wondered, my TTFAF high is 633,585. xD) Last but not least, Fug. You are the reason I was able to FC Take This Life, don't forget that, and your amazing success makes me want to become a better player.
Individuals:
killzonedout - I can't really recall how we met, which is a shame. I think it was via an Xbox Live party. But either way, it's been a great time being friends with you. You're a superswell guy and an amazing vocalist; your happycore singing makes me literally roll on the floor laughing. More than that, though, you've been a friend, giving me advice on all kinds of issues and having more faith in me than I could ever hope to have in myself. You're an amazing person, and I wish you the best in everything.
TheThirdDay - What can I say about this guy. I got him unpermarockered a long time ago, and he put me in his sig for a while as a thanks. That sums him up for me. Nah, really, T3D is an incredible poster, always helpful to everyone, as well as being a heck of a player himself. I'm glad to see him back around.
zsjostrom35 - What a guy. zsj exemplifies a lot of things for me: He's endlessly helpful, but with a sarcastic sense of humor; it's a small wonder he and T3D are friends. zsj is incredible with methods, and his tenacity in grinding for FCs and score increases is a wonder to behold. Also, his stream is a great palce to hang out, especially if you want to back-and-forth the entirety of Bohemian Rhapsody. Helluva guy.
Brockbfball1563 - My lord, this guy. My co-op partner on RB2, I'm incredibly lucky to have nabbed him because he's an insane player as well as a pathing genius. He's a little more sarcastic than the rest, much given to humor that leads to a "jk" soon after. Nonetheless, I love playing with him, making fun of each other all the way through awesome co-op FCs.
PiemanLK - We're friends, it's almost weird to say that. He's considerably different as a person than a lot of these others, more given to gloominess a la Eeyore as well as downright despair at times. He doesn't play for serious anymore, and yet still gets angry at the game...boy, what an odd character. At any rate, I enjoy talking with him on IRC; we may have differing viewpoints on things but we generally have a good time regardless.
drewbles - Hey, he's just a really, really chill guy, as well as being an insane player. He might not play quite as much anymore, but I still enjoy talking to him when I get the chance via Facebook or Live. Good guy, incredibly friendly.
eyewin8 - Hey, you're last because we never talk anymore, buddy. Still, he helped me out with some of the tougher GH3 FCs and is also a cool guy to talk to about music.
Random shout-outs:
ThunderAlex, for being awesome
alexhaz64, for being way too good at this game
Yewb, for being endlessly willing to debate the merits of Between the Buried and Me
LlamaYip, for being a llama
JohnnyGrey, for Bohemian Rhapsody
To anyone else who I've spoken to who happened to not end up on this list - I'm sorry if you feel you deserved a mention, I probably managed to forget. I'm not perfect.
In the end...ScoreHero, graciously documenting our future arthritis. That, and the friendships we form and the incredible sense of community. This is a great place, and I'm incredibly glad to be here.
See you in a thousand posts!
--this1neguy
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Happy 3000th post, bro. Scorehero loves ya. I luff ya too, bro <3
-Chris
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Congrats on being a postwhore
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So you finally cracked the big 3k huh? And a CoD FC, what a way to break it in. Congrats with that, and be assured in the fact that in many ways that I'm sure you are aware of, you've made ScoreHero a better, fairer place.
I know that you'll probably think of me as "that little Nowhere Man in a Nowhere Land", but I don't care. Go hard, or go home. Keep on kickin' ass this1neguy.
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Oh man, that's a really awesome 3000th post you got there . Congrats on 3k posts, and being a postwhore, like POKE-JJ already said .
CoD and TTL are really hard, it's like, a strumming song and a fretting song. You just proved that you're good at both . Honestly, I've no idea how people manage to get TTL, or NfmH, for that matter, but that was a long time ago that you got it.... Seriously, great job on raping GH3 ! I can't wait to see you get more accomplishments.
| this1neguy wrote: | Random shout-outs:
ThunderAlex, for being awesome |
Wow.... this is something I didn't expect. Thanks for mentioning me, it really means a lot to me! Why am I amazing? I'm nothing compared to other players, you're better yourself than me, not to talk about the titans....
| this1neguy wrote: | | alexhaz64, for being way too good at this game |
I agree with this !
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Hi!
Congrats on the 3000 posts, but most of all, contrats on the 61 GH3X FCs!!! I meant to come post about your GH3 progress a while ago, but then it slipped my mind.. but now I'm doing it right away Congrats on all the crazy FCs, and finally getting Cliffs of Dover And you're saying I've became better than you? Haha maybe in GH5 (I'm not even sure), but do you realize I only have 43 FCs in GH3 lol :P We should definitely pfo again sometime though... but not on GH3 Haha seriously I wouldn't mind on any game of course, it's always fun even though if I lose all songs ;)
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| killzonedout wrote: | Happy 3000th post, bro. Scorehero loves ya. I luff ya too, bro <3
-Chris |
D'awww. *hugs*
Also, mega glad to see your permarocker has been removed.
| POKE-JJ wrote: | | Congrats on being a postwhore |
Ohhh, #bannerhero residents, always mixing encouragement, congratulatory natures, and sarcasm.
| Cyberwaste wrote: | So you finally cracked the big 3k huh? And a CoD FC, what a way to break it in. Congrats with that, and be assured in the fact that in many ways that I'm sure you are aware of, you've made ScoreHero a better, fairer place.
I know that you'll probably think of me as "that little Nowhere Man in a Nowhere Land", but I don't care. Go hard, or go home. Keep on kickin' ass this1neguy. |
Yessir. I was really excited to get that; I got it at I believe 2996 posts and had to try really hard to wait on it for post number 3000. And hey, thanks for the compliment! I try to do my part to get little issues noticed around here, and I'm very glad to have some of them implemented (such as my suggestion for the management of permarockers; noted as being put into use here). Certainly you, as well, have been a great influence on this site in your time here; I've noticed you all over being helpful and such.
And per the above, I don't think of you like that. Hah. I'll definitely do my best, sir.
| ThunderAlex wrote: | Oh man, that's a really awesome 3000th post you got there . Congrats on 3k posts, and being a postwhore, like POKE-JJ already said .
CoD and TTL are really hard, it's like, a strumming song and a fretting song. You just proved that you're good at both . Honestly, I've no idea how people manage to get TTL, or NfmH, for that matter, but that was a long time ago that you got it.... Seriously, great job on raping GH3 ! I can't wait to see you get more accomplishments.
| this1neguy wrote: | Random shout-outs:
ThunderAlex, for being awesome |
Wow.... this is something I didn't expect. Thanks for mentioning me, it really means a lot to me! Why am I amazing? I'm nothing compared to other players, you're better yourself than me, not to talk about the titans....
| this1neguy wrote: | | alexhaz64, for being way too good at this game |
I agree with this ! |
Haha, thanks man. It took me something like 45 minutes, I felt like I had to make this an awesome post.
And with regards to the new FCs...yeah, definitely, they're different yet similar skillsets to me. Cliffs of Dover was all about consistency on ISB and Solo D and OLS, whereas Take this Life was about being able to keep on time and use the right strums in the right places (downstrum beginning of chord fills, upstrum beginning of choruses). I still don't know how I got Nothing for Me here when I did, xD. But yeah, I'll definitely try to make more pretty flames appear.
Hey, no one said you had to be awesome to get mentioned. You're ever been friendly when posting here or in zsj's thread, and that means a lot when others are just names on a forum page.
And yes, alex is wayyyy too good. Haha.
In other news, I got a TTFAF 644k today, which is a new high by 11k. Also, I got a 577k on The Way it Ends with a -9, that song is just going to be a matter of gaining more endurance at this point. I then proceeded to miss in Aggro part (as well as the second part of Mosh Solo) but FCed End Lead in FCPREMIX, got somewhere in the 371k region. I just need to get more consistent on Aggro, mostly. I couldn't do any work on NoTB or Holiday In Cambodia, those are killing me now. I managed to FC the trills in Flood! somehow O_o I'm nowhere close to getting that FC, though.
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| lilirock wrote: | Hi!
Congrats on the 3000 posts, but most of all, contrats on the 61 GH3X FCs!!! I meant to come post about your GH3 progress a while ago, but then it slipped my mind.. but now I'm doing it right away Congrats on all the crazy FCs, and finally getting Cliffs of Dover And you're saying I've became better than you? Haha maybe in GH5 (I'm not even sure), but do you realize I only have 43 FCs in GH3 lol :P We should definitely pfo again sometime though... but not on GH3 Haha seriously I wouldn't mind on any game of course, it's always fun even though if I lose all songs ;) |
Hey, thanks! No worries about not being here, you've been busy doing your insane crazy work on GH5. I'm amazed at how well you've been doing on that, it's really impressive. If nothing else you're definitely better than me on that engine xD
I'd be willing to PFO if my Xbox Live worked, I've called Microsoft and my ISP and no one has any idea what's going on. I've been working on getting that fixed for some time now
Also, bump. copying OP here, reading through this I noticed that I'd say like "Bump for story" but now I have no idea what that story was, so I'm going to put full text bumps in posts since they're usually only around one or two paragraphs anyway.
1/30/2010
I wanted to get a somewhat decent video of this up, so here it is. List of stupid mistakes that could have led to this being at least 700k:
-Overstrum before the Post Insanity SP fill
-Miss in the Post Insanity II fill
-Missed the Cold Winter Morning SP phrase
-Missed in the second activation
-Miss in the triplets at the end of Blackest Waves
-Wrecked the triplets leading into SFAI
-Missed both SP phrases in Bridge 1
-Missed before the chords in Red Dawn II
-Missed in the Bridge II trill
-Missed the ending of Bridge II
-Missed at the end of Synth Death
-Overstrums in Grinding Scales I
-Missed the Solo Fill I SP phrase
-Didn't activate in Herman's Solo and proceeded to nearly FC it
-Missed the easy trill at the beginning of Sam's Solo
-Missed assorted easy bits in Twin Solo
-Missed the ascending scales in SFAIII and nearly failed as a result
-Overstrum in the Rampaging Dragons mid fill
-Missed the last orange in You Rock!!
I was surprised this was such a good score, really.
Also, Number of the Beast 666ns, 590k or so, I'm waiting on improvements on that.
TWIE -9, FCed the solos, just need a little more endurance
FCPREMIX miss in the two note chord section of Aggro, FCed the rest of the song, grr.
Holiday in Cambodia sucks.
-1 in Bridge of Before I Forget
Roger Federer wins the Australian Open.
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| this1neguy wrote: | Brockbfball1563 - My lord, this guy. My co-op partner on RB2, I'm incredibly lucky to have nabbed him because he's an insane player as well as a pathing genius. He's a little more sarcastic than the rest, much given to humor that leads to a "jk" soon after. Nonetheless, I love playing with him, making fun of each other all the way through awesome co-op FCs.
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And the truth FINALLY comes out!
jk 
Don't know how I missed this when you first posted it, but a pretty epic 3000th post. I still have a way to go until I get there, but hopefully I make it as ballsing as this one. Hopefully an amazing Brocky 'n' the Chief session soon. I've got plenty of paths for us to try out.
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| Brockbfball1563 wrote: | And the truth FINALLY comes out!
jk
Don't know how I missed this when you first posted it, but a pretty epic 3000th post. I still have a way to go until I get there, but hopefully I make it as ballsing as this one. Hopefully an amazing Brocky 'n' the Chief session soon. I've got plenty of paths for us to try out. |
Baha, dude, you know I luff ya'.
I dunno, I think I mentioned it to you in AIM one day and you said you'd read it as well as watching that TTFAF video Whatever, bro, tis no big deal. As I've said to others, I just felt as though I needed to say some stuff about how awesome this place is and some of the people who make it extra-special, and of course you ended up there too.
Eventually I'll get a new router and we'll actually be able to play again.
In GH news ... I haven't played for a week and a half because I've been volunteering after school on the past two Mondays, which I do from 4 until 6:30, and after that I've had a bunch of AP English homework. I did manage to FC Laid to Rest in GH2 as well as Rock and Roll Hoochie Koo (on what may as well have been a sightread) last time I played; I've gotten sick of GH3 so I figured why not play some GH2. I couldn't reFC R&RHK again when I tried to improve the score on video, though 
Hopefully this weekend if I'm in town (might be going up north for Presidents' Weekend) I'll do some new stuff. We'll see.
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