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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's because fear has been the driving political force in this country for some time now. There are people who make money on this fearful, us vs. them mentality. This is just an extension of that.


I still remember the first time I saw this clip. It's much more than a political force.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say Twang nailed it. After the one major attack, it's just been a stream of nitwits lighting their shoe or their dick on fire. Scary enough, but not exactly the type of work you'd want to put on your terror resume, and certainly not the type of thing that justifies the chasm this "war on terror" has created in the federal budget, much less the added civilian and troop casualties.

It's not rocket science to point out the incompetency of these low-level terrorist-wannabes, but unfortunately the Defense lobby have a vested interest in seeing things differently, so they're certainly not going to present that case. Ditto for the for-profit media - they know that there's no sales and viewership in unafraid people, so what incentive is there to perform their civic duty? By extension, all of their sponsors and advertisers now have a vested interest in sustaining that climate of fear, and they buy off so many spokespeople/politicians/reporters to tenaciously push that fear agenda.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blingdomepiece wrote:
Fedora wrote:
It's because fear has been the driving political force in this country for some time now. There are people who make money on this fearful, us vs. them mentality. This is just an extension of that.


I still remember the first time I saw this clip. It's much more than a political force.

Before I clicked that link I knew what it was gonna be... I can't say I'm a Michael Moore fan but that is a movie everyone should watch. Everybody is way too scared in this country, it's just embarrassing.

Getting rid of cable and the sensationalist media was probably the best decision I ever made.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a huge Marilyn Mason fan. Not of his music (XD), but about what he believes in. He understands that fear is what controls the mainstream public of America, which as Hailz as sad, is extremely embarrassing.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blingdomepiece wrote:
Fedora wrote:
It's because fear has been the driving political force in this country for some time now. There are people who make money on this fearful, us vs. them mentality. This is just an extension of that.


I still remember the first time I saw this clip. It's much more than a political force.


I'm not gonna lie, I saw some interview of him a while ago, and was one of those that said "Holy shit, he's actually pretty smart". He really is spot on in that interview.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just like the fact that "Killing Osama bin Laden" has now been added to the list of things that have taken less time than Duke Nukem Forever.


lmao I know. All we need now is for the Cubs to win a world series
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HellAshes wrote:
I'm a huge Marilyn Mason fan. Not of his music (XD), but about what he believes in. He understands that fear is what controls the mainstream public of America, which as Hailz as sad, is extremely embarrassing.

I'd say it's more than just America. Society in general is like that. Just America takes it to an extreme. :p Makes it in to a way of life. Embarrassing, indeed.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I wouldn't say a single word to them. I would listen to what they have to say. That's what no one did."

Those are very very strong words right there. Brilliant words.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sarg338 wrote:
blingdomepiece wrote:
Fedora wrote:
It's because fear has been the driving political force in this country for some time now. There are people who make money on this fearful, us vs. them mentality. This is just an extension of that.


I still remember the first time I saw this clip. It's much more than a political force.


I'm not gonna lie, I saw some interview of him a while ago, and was one of those that said "Holy shit, he's actually pretty smart". He really is spot on in that interview.

I remember reading something about him having a genius IQ, which is funny but not surprising. Most "misunderstood" people are like that, particularly artists. I don't like his music but I remember watching Bowling for Columbine in high school health class and thinking that he must be a brilliant man under all that make-up. I think a lot of parents should watch that interview as well, because they're always the first to point the finger at rock 'n roll and violent video games instead of look at their own government or parenting (or lack thereof).

@Twang, actually, if you watch the movie it really IS just America. Plenty of countries have a war-filled history, play the same violent video games, listen to the same rock music, and own plenty of guns, but America has an outrageously higher number of violent murders than any of those other countries. I mean Canada has WAY more guns than we do, but manage to almost never kill each other with them.

I realize it's a documentary so it displays information in order to make the point it wants to make, but you have to wonder why America has such a violent (and scared) reputation? We just get scared too easily, and are always looking for an enemy. Now that we killed Osama we'll be after the next guy to replace him, and then the next guy. It happened with communists, now with terrorists, I have to wonder what the new enemy is going to be in the next 20 or 30 years?
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GuitarHailz wrote:
I have to wonder what the new enemy is going to be in the next 20 or 30 years?


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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sarg338 wrote:
GuitarHailz wrote:
I have to wonder what the new enemy is going to be in the next 20 or 30 years?


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I just hope I have coverage...
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GuitarHailz wrote:
Sarg338 wrote:
GuitarHailz wrote:
I have to wonder what the new enemy is going to be in the next 20 or 30 years?


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I just hope I have coverage...


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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GuitarHailz wrote:
@Twang, actually, if you watch the movie it really IS just America. Plenty of countries have a war-filled history, play the same violent video games, listen to the same rock music, and own plenty of guns, but America has an outrageously higher number of violent murders than any of those other countries. I mean Canada has WAY more guns than we do, but manage to almost never kill each other with them.

Though Canada is pretty diverse itself, America is a melting pot of thousands of different backgrounds and (often conflicting) beliefs, and it's full of idealists. Plus, Canada's government isn't as...overbearing as ours (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong). It's not hard to see why things can get hairy.

Maybe you're right, though. I just think fear dictates, or at least influences, a lot of what all people do on a daily basis, and not just Americans.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twang wrote:
Plus, Canada's government isn't as...overbearing as ours (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong).

I would probably argue otherwise, but the reason for our differences is at least partially connected to why we don't have the same "go-to-the-gun" mentality as well. The Second Amendment - the most common cover to American firearms excess - is closely tied to the militia movement, and that opens the door to more violent innuendo whenever addressing the solution to an overbearing government. So America tends to be more reactionary to an oppressive government, often with violent undertones. It's a common-cause relationship between institutionalized gun use and the low tolerance for nanny-state governance.

The Canadian government likes to set up a lot more rules around day-to-day things like waste disposal, energy consumption, car emissions testing etc, but I'd also suggest that the penalties are less likely to be punitive, so these added rules and regulations interpreted more as "annoying" than "oppressive". That perception also has more to do with the fact that Canada as a whole doesn't have that potent libertarian streak that the States does, so we're a lot more accepting of those milder instances of government overreach.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I'm just playing semantics but I don't think "melting pot" works in this case, because that inherently implies assimilation. You'd be hard-pressed to convince me that America has actually yet achieved its vision of total assimilation, and in fact I think we've been actively trying to move away from that in recent decades (see: multiculturalism).

A better term might be the salad bowl, where pockets of people all live within the same borders but exist and go about their lives partially (and in some cases wholly) apart from one another. It's much easier to understand the source of fear and paranoia in this case, since Americans don't even have to look halfway across the world to find something to fear and instead can look within their own borders, states, maybe even their own neighborhoods. Without a common understanding (that naturally comes with assimilation that the melting pot implies), people naturally fear others who don't look and act like them.

Ever seen Do the Right Thing? Basically the same idea.
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