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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:24 am Post subject: Regenerating interest in the wiki... How? |
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I know of the amount of hours spent (and cans of Rockstar consumed) by the SH team to get the Wiki up and running... Now it's dying by the wayside, and it's kind of a bummer that all this work is going to waste.
Given how things are right now, how can we get people more interested in the wiki? A new layout perhaps? Because the way it looks now, even with Hailz's logo, it feels kind of unfinished... Also, any other suggestions to make the wiki better can be discussed in this thread.
Unless this is going to be rectified in SH3.0 of course. _________________
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps a "featured page" that can be put on the front page every week, similar to the featured user system, but it could just be a way to show off what other things the wiki can do other than just achievement style user pages.
I also think more emphasis should be put on people collaberating with the staff to make it a wonderous pool of info, mayby some contribution points for helping out with SP paths and song info. _________________
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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DanSoup wrote: | Perhaps a "featured page" that can be put on the front page every week, similar to the featured user system, but it could just be a way to show off what other things the wiki can do other than just achievement style user pages.
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I like this idea. You could even incorporate it into the SH main page.
At present, the SH Home page is really bland. A countdown, top contributors list, three recent announcements, and recent scores isn't exactly reason enough to warrant not merely skipping over the scorehero.com link in your browsing history and jumping straight to the forum link.
I have seen websites/forums that have much more inviting home pages, with scrolling stories that have parts of the post in them on the page. We should do something like that. Like have some wiki stuff on the home page as soon as you go to it. It could start with a featured article link with the first 200 or 300 words of the article right there, and the same with the featured member, and a whole lot more.
Just a suggestion; trying to kill two birds with one stone. _________________
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: |
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I've recently done some mousehunting on facebook and they have a wiki page that I use all the time (I don't use scoreheros), so maybe if they were to mold it similar? (just throwing stuff out here)
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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I honestly think allowing every Scorehero user to edit any page they want other than other people's user page would regenerate interest. I originally was really excited to see all of the wiki pages for each song, but ended up only seeing writing on the page for Jordan. I wanted to see stuff like who was the first to FC Ballroom Blitz solo 1b, and other random facts like that. The average Scorehero intelligence is enough that the Wiki pages would not get out of control. _________________
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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jamesw wrote: | I honestly think allowing every Scorehero user to edit any page they want other than other people's user page would regenerate interest. |
I doubt it. ScoreHero members who hate each other (for whatever reason) could edit each other wiki pages into flame wars, people who hate scorehero in general can edit pages and delete important information, I sure as hell could go for a soda... so many things could go wrong to important pages if that was to happen. Plus the fact we have no idea how much work would be needed to make it happen. (Of course, JCirri's supposed to have an announcement for the wiki, so ¯\(°_o)/¯) _________________
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Well, there's still 103,197 paths that haven't been posted across all games and instrument combination, people could get on that. _________________
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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ImaCarrot wrote: | Well, there's still 103,197 paths that haven't been posted across all games and instrument combination, people could get on that. |
I don't think all the paths will ever be complete..... _________________
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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I feel that this is a prime example of a "chicken or egg" situation. Does no one use the Wiki because there's little information on it? Or is there little information on it because no one uses it.
If interest gets revitalized, then people will be more willing than they are now to spend time adding information. Because, let's face it, there's nothing worse than spending hours working on something and not know if anyone will even use it. _________________
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Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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ManfredvonKarma wrote: | I feel that this is a prime example of a "chicken or egg" situation. Does no one use the Wiki because there's little information on it? Or is there little information on it because no one uses it. |
It's both, I think.
A big part of it is the fact that little people really know that the wiki is even there. It's a great idea, and I'd love to see it flourish. But I honestly forget we even have a wiki. I never need it for anything. Paths would be the one thing I would use it for, but I play vocals and there aren't many paths for vocals anyway.
I wish the link to the wiki and the wiki itself were somehow more noticable and integrated more smoothly into the main website. The average web user usually has a certain task they wish to accomplish on the internet, and I for one really don't like the feeling of traveling to a different webpage. We know the wiki is affiliated with SH, but it feels like a whole other site, and I can imagine the average person clicking the link out of curiosity, feeling "lost" and then retreating back to SH and saying "fuck it, I'll just search the forums." I guess this is my roundabout way of saying that I find it way too tedious to navigate the wiki to even bother going there.
Maybe there could be a sort of, I don't know, contribution points type of system for the wiki? But instead of counting proofs or donations, count pages edited, or something like that. I just don't think there's much incentive to work on the wiki when we already have forums to sift through.
I'd also like to see a "Wiki staff." If it increased incentive I could make a sexy new banner or something like that, and we could have a group of people who's job it is to manage and maintain the wiki. This wouldn't be the same as SH staff necessarily, but people don't tend to do work unless there is a benefit, or unless it is assigned to them. I sure as hell would use the wiki more if there was info there to use. It's just a matter of someone stepping up and doing it. _________________
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 6:45 am Post subject: |
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ImaCarrot wrote: | Well, there's still 103,197 paths that haven't been posted across all games and instrument combination, people could get on that. | I'm curious if there's a special way to add a path using that {{path}} box, or if it just doesn't work? I couldn't get anything to appear at all using it. I had planned to start adding vocal DLC paths, but I'd rather not start the project without fully knowing what to do.
GuitarHailz wrote: | I'd also like to see a "Wiki staff." If it increased incentive I could make a sexy new banner or something like that, and we could have a group of people who's job it is to manage and maintain the wiki. This wouldn't be the same as SH staff necessarily, but people don't tend to do work unless there is a benefit, or unless it is assigned to them. I sure as hell would use the wiki more if there was info there to use. It's just a matter of someone stepping up and doing it. | I know that there were a lot of us adding information to the Wiki when it debuted, but once it fell out of the public eye, we stopped caring. If there was a Wiki staff, that would certainly solve the lack of information, and that would probably bring people back to the Wiki. A big part of it, though, would be starting to encourage pathers to work on the Wiki rather than the forums. _________________
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Personally, I just don't find what's on the Wiki to be that interesting.
Granted, I haven't sifted through every single page there is, but I shouldn't have to, really. The personal pages are a good read, but apart from that, there's really nothing worth reading on there, that I've seen. _________________
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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I completely agree with most here and this thread has motivated to do something about it. The wiki has a tremendous potential, especially for pathing purposes, that's been lost due to a wide variety of reasons. I've been working on a ton of stuff to fix this the past 3-4 days and it's almost ready (I'd like to say tonight, but I'll be out at my sister's recital so we'll see). Stay tuned.
As far as the {{path}} action, the intent was to be able to add paths by passing data through that, and not have to worry about formatting the data. The result would be consistently formatted data across all pages which is systematically controlled and therefore easy to tweak/change style over time if we want, without having to re-edit thousands of pages. Part of my plans are to finally enable this.
I would like to get your thoughts on what data you feel should be standardized across paths. Right now I'm thinking:- path-short: Short-hand notation describing the path structure (i.e. 2-2-3-4)
- path-notes: Specific notes to help with execution of the path or remember activation locations. (i.e. "1st Act. - activate on 2nd note after the break. really tight squeeze.")
- path-link: URL to a marked up chart illustrating the path, if available.
- path-credits: Notes to credit to any author(s) or source(s) of the information.
Either path-short or path-link would be required, and everything else optional. And to allow flexibility, no specific path notation or format would be required for any field. But I'd hope that we come up with a set of notations to use, so I could then embed a key/legend into all song pages that describe the popular notations.
In fact if someone wants to start the wiki page, PathNotations, and list common notations, grouped by instrument, and what they mean that'd be a fantastic help. Even if you've just got one notation to add, others can still edit the page, and the point of the wiki is to collaborate. I see Sully made some PathingBasics pages already (e.g. Drums), but I'm looking for something more concise that could be made into a key/legend.
In any event let me know your thoughts, and I'll have much more to add later. _________________
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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How about a link to the wiki on Scorehero's home page?
EDIT: Never mind, I'm blind.
I think the reason interest is dying is because the only people who use it are Scorehero veterans or the creators of the wiki, that know most of the information already. |
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:18 am Post subject: |
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I agree this needs to be done, but I really have no idea how. :p _________________
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